HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993 [10] Oct 11
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PU-r~suant to due call zind notice ther~eof, the City Council FD-r~ the City I
o i" St. Joseph met in special seE-sion on Ivlonda y, (jctober~ 11, :I. ~)92; ë:it
'?: ()() p. HI. in the City Ha 11 .
r~1.E~]~jIH:;Jitl E:.ft~Þ_btH.L filE; y 0 -r~ Don a 1 d "Bud" Re bc~¡---. I'ie m ber--s of the Council F< 0 S¡ S:-
Hiel-<e, Bob Loso, St eph<'''in i e Hazen, hen Hiemenz. Clerk/Administrator
Hacl-¡ e 1 btêlpleton.
º_-n~J~;;B.$_ E~J3f-.~.Er{u. C i t Y (.:¡t t or--n e y John Scher~er-- and Dick filo 1 ohon of ~:;a 1 e s
and tr1an<'''ifl e m ent Pr~ofiles, Inc., and St Ui",:r-·t Goldschen.
pia y Or~ Reber~ czdled thE' meeting to or~den'~ and E-tated that thE- pUr~pD s e of
the meeting was to go thr~ough the -r--epor--t with I'riy' . Dick filülohon. 1'1,,-, y 0 r~
Rebey" asked JDhn Scr! er--er~ to guide us thr-'ough the meeting.
¡'rÎa y 01'--: This pUre_po s e of this meetinf.~ tonight is to go t hr--o ugh the
'f'~epor~t that we r~ece i ved fr~OI1l I'r'ìr~ . I"iJol<:lhDn, ¿-\T) d at this time in o¡'~d er-- to
eliminate the possibi 1 Hy Df opening the City to any type <:If legal
act ion f Or~ something that \.-'H? may 01'-' may not do, Pm goinq to ¿~sk John
to kind of guide us th-r--ough this meeting.
John Sch E'r-'er~: SUr~e . l::.ar--1 i er~ today I f1ad an oppor~tunity to tal k to
Dick and P 11 tell you basically ",¡h¿it I told him. It's my
i nt er--pr~etat ion of data pr~act ices act and the open meetin!~l law that any
pOr~t ion of the diseusE-ion that E et s int 0 the Cr-- i t i qui n 9 of' i3_n I
individual employee should be closed. On the other" hi:îlncl, any pO'r--t ion
of the pr~esentation, Or~ the discussion dealin~1 \.¡ i t h ~I e ¡H~ r~¿:,_]. issues
r~e gar~d i n ~ the City, 0'1'-' deal i ng with any steps that YC1u as a Co unci], may
\Alant to take, Or-- any ¡-"ecommendat ions of the con!:',ultant s-hould be open
and public. Whë:-¡t P ve asked Dick to do i E- tr~y to p-r~epê:"¡r~e his
!:n~e sent at i on accor~d i ng I y and at 1 ei.:tst tr--y to e>{clude any discussion
r~egar--ding par~t icular~ individuals which may have been in his ¡-., e po ¡--·t O-r~
\"\Ih ich may have come up as a pa¡'~t of his e v 2_11.\at i 0 ÏI. Unless tlmle Council
specifically ¡-~eque E-t s to go into any of those issues at \.-'JI-1 i ch time fOr~
the pr-'ot eet ion of the par"-t icular~ employees the meeting should b~: closed
just fo¡-~ that por~t i on of the meeting. nnd, al-'J, as far~ as the r~ e p 0 ¡-~t
a!::1ain, I think I've commented on thë:it in my lette'I"--, I would -r~eCO m m ('?nd
thi:\t an E·dited copy be m¿;ld e r~emc,ving only thoE,e pOr~t i on s that d e ë:il with
o I_\r~ individual employees fOr~ their-' pr~otect ion. I in f i:\C-t have done
thë:\t, and then have a pOr~t i on, O'r~ thë:\t pa-r-·t of it deë:\ling with any of
the individuals pr~ e Pi';¡'r--ed and made available just fo\-~ those in d i v i d UL, 1 s.
And if you want: to get into ¿iny conve¡---sat ion E- with r~e ga-r-'d to any
individual employee tonight, you may cl~r--tainly not want to even do that
tCHiight, but if you do it would be my opinion if that em :)loyee wants t c,
be ¡::w'e sent the employee can be p'r--e sent, if the employee \,¡ a 11'1"; s to waive
his 01'-- her~ -r~i ght to pr~ i vacy they can cer-'tainly do so" But t r·,¿~t' s the
employee's call 'i;h En'~e fO'r-' loss of pr-'ot ect ion ,'as the ('?mployee.
Stephanie Hazen: Then, John do YOIJ have an editE!d Ve¡-~s i on t ¡--I ë:\ t is I
public in f o'f'~mat ion YQU"r~e say irq;¡ on the gener--al comments and
recommendations?
John Sche-r~er~ : Right, Yeah.
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Oct obe1'~ l:l, 1993
I Stephanie Hazen: fTlat ~ '::; an edited ve1'--siün?
John b cÌ' I E>1-~ e 'f-' = 1 did. I c¿ln h¡:\V2 t r-I c;d:; ¿wailabl~? ¿md s- end it out to the
Cler~k~ s Uffice tomo-f-"f~OH ë\nd have it availc:'\ble -f O¡--- bt ua-('t () r~ anybody
elsE'.
Stephanie riaz Ern ~ 'That would be nice th¿d:: we could get c:\ copy of th¿it
edited vel--~;ion too so that \t-J ('£' know what...what.. just ¡..oJh ¿d:: .
Jor-In ;:;e:h e 'j-'e r~ : Uh, and then I wOl.lld ¿dso have individual copies- made.
Stephanie Hazen: FO'f~ those individuals that can. SU'f--e.
John f::jcher~er~ : Yeah. ye¿lh"
:3t ephan i e Hazen: Gr~eat .
J or-In Sc:h er-'er~: E:;Ct, I;'J i th that Pll guess I' 11 t'-n~n it o v e'f-- to Bud"
1"1 a yo 1'-- : You want to IFJa 11-< us t h1"'o '-!!;lh that, Did<?
Dick Molohon: Is it n eCE'!;:, sar--y to use this?
Iyla y or-- : No, ÏI 0"
I Dick T'ìo 1 ohon: l·Je 11 I ~'Jëi n t to t h¿ln 1-< you fir"st of all...for~
".. pr--ofession,:d.. inviting me to t,::d<e this assi!~nment. I ò"ppr"ec i '::It e
t h ¿'\t ve¡-~y much. I all;'Jays apl:n--ec i at e the tr~ust and confidence that
people put in me and I take that ve¡'~y sel---iously"
tr1¿1 y Or~ : Dick, if I could i nt er--'f~upt you fOr~ jue-t a ~,E:·coneL.. StUë:n~t c'an
you he.-a-f~?
B-1:: U¿tr...t: g 1\10. . i t ~ s a little ha'('cI to hea-f~.
t¡1ayol-~: IYlaybe you want to use the mike then Dicl-<.
Did< IYlolohon: vJ e 11 , I cI i seo v e1"~ed s-omething all o v er-- ¿~gC:lirl in th i '"
assiDnment and that is that they--e is ¡--'eall y nothing nel^" undey-- the ~:- 1.111"
Uh, wh¿~t c:c,mes, ¿\"('ound, goes- ¿'\-f-'O und it seems liJ-<e. BIJt I d i scc. v e-r~E'd ë\ll
o v er~ aqaill that Oq:;\.:H¡ i zat ions ar"e pr~et t '1' much the s,,::,me. Fill
or-'~~¿¡n i Zé\t ions seem to have SQmE' of the same pr"- 0 b 1 ems. I cI i seD v el'~ed
again that the¡'''-e is all'Jays ¡---oom fen-- iml:n-'ovement in any i..'\y'e,,,-"I of .:¡ny
tH--~lan i zat i c.n. And I think that in p¿("¡-~t i cu 1 ¿H~ situi::\t ion you should be
pleased to knQw that t h e-f~e was no r~e s- i st ance to that ide.:!. ::'eople ~.J I£! -r-- e
open to that , they all r--een gn i Z Eo thë~t, Y e ê~h ~'J e could bE' doing bett er--.
I felt that I encount er-'ed -f~eall y good ¡¿\ttitudes abo ut the hi 0 r--k that the
people ar~e pE'r~fol'--rn i ng~ aì:.Iout the 'f~oles that they'; ¡--·e playing, and abo ut
I theil'-' par-'t i c: i pat ion in the community. No you might say t h¡~t thò.it's
kind o f'-It If II E;() \o'Jhat?"." but I can tell you that ther--e ",¡¡---e lot s Dr~
OJ,h'gan i zat ion s that don't e-njD,/ that kind Df' loyò.ilty among theirh- people
and lifE' fo'(' the boss el'¡-"" the bo¿n-'d is much m O-r-'f? difficult irl thc's-e
sit I.lat i Q n s-. bo tller'e's )-~oom fo¡'~ impr~ovement e v er-'YIFJh er~e, that's v f?¡_u-y
typical in any O¡---¡;:¡¿m i 2ë-lt i ons¥ s¿¡me thin!;! hero-e. I found out: êìga i n t h òÜ
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most p eo!) 1 e w2nt. to t IMtY"IJ l 1-, <3- decent -f-·e·s pect ¿'rJ 1 e pe'r-"¡- O'f-·m2nce. I
í~nd "i 'thought thi:ìt ~'J2 s '1'-, e 2 1 1 Y E;,n outstanding p .~ 'f-' ï; or my i nt er--V i E'vii ng
J,
'\:1'18 people.. I dicin't rind i:'Inybody that I ~'Iould ct"¡ a r-'act G r" i z e 8.:=:- 1 i..'i:~ v ','
(j'f-' not ~'iillinlJ to \.'Io-f--k, 0'1'-- un~'lillin9 to tackle ¿I ne....1 jot. O-r-' ¿~ss-ignment.
I thought yo').' V (? got... I tll i nk '101),; 'Ie got r::1'f'" eat peopl<2 a.nd I hope my
i nt e'f~V i eltlS !:n-' 0 v e that. I found out '::<-!~F~ i n E\ "5- I '.' v (: found Ol_\t ~·o nl2Ïi'/
t i If! e s b e í" 0 -f~ e th2,t those SiÕ\me peopj(~ 2,Y"(? bee 0 ¡¡¡ j. JI IJ much m 0-1'-'2 ¿,\'¡a-f--!:?
DT c:-onsume'f~ Or'" L:t..\~.t ome"r'" cJem¿lÏIds. 'In-f'" m 0 'r-' e ¿,no mOr-'e s e r~ vie e . I ¡ n: not
s IXf~ e if '101.1 as a b 0 8.r-' 0 OT d i r~ect O'r--S, j d. I~i t Y C::üIJnci 1, may even be ð1.-"J{"1,·J "f2
of t h ¿xL to trlË' E' r:t ent that I ¿\m. nh~ but YOUr-' µeople a-r"-E' e x p ,-:. -rOo i e 1"1 C i n g
I)ighe-r-- expect iè<,t i on s' on the p8X·t of the 'r"'esidents, tì-¡e tax pi"ye'r--s and
YOu-r-' \' ot 8ì-'S II 'I hey Fe E' 1 that ane! thë\t' s v e'f~'Y common in or~gan i ZEIt: i nn¿\l
y'¡Or",k today. Umj clJ~,'Ì;om(~'f"'S want bett er~ q 1.\ a 1 it Y , vlant things fastey',
they' -r~e not i nt e"rR'E' s· t E,d in '1' 0 IXr-- p-r-' 0 b 1 em you knoY'J. . . so you.' VI? ~I ot ",\
headache ,- J: ' 11\ ';;' Oì-"r'''Y 'J '/ü 1.\ k¡v:n·¡. . . bl.\G don;t bDthe'r' me ~'I). t h that, But I
thou~~ht that you' 'f'€! p e 0 [" 1 e , 211 of 'chE'm, ....Ier"-e sensitivE', ¿inci r c¿,n Sê"lY
all of thew because I had " ;f g II Þ . un. t Cr ta ll{ to eVe'f"'Y on0' of them e)-:cept
the ne~'lest police C)ffic;~r'" i.-'¡hich I didn't " . I it \"J2\~· a p ¡:n"' 0 p'r' i ate t (,
-c 1-11 n ,:
spend iElf'IY of his time. And 1 think that ~'Ias i?i::'out f 0 I_\"r"'t e en '101.1, kno\t-ì so
1 got a p"r~etty good handle C) ÏI that. :B1..i.t t h E"r"-e' ~:- 2\ goocl attitude ¿~ b 0 u t
Ii i-'hj ~.;' '! ~.¡e got COli S 1..\ m e y-- expec'c-':It ions out the-r"'e that ar"'!? -r' e a 1 1 y stretching
us:· kind C) 'j thin. " NO!"I h¿:¡ving mE'nt i oned tho'::.e common p-r"-obl em,::- th¿it Br--e
typiciÔ\l but!1 '(: 0 'I 0 IXI" o r'- tJ i3. n i z at i 0 II and mi3.ny D the 'r~' ~. ., I don't ¡,..¡ant to in
any W2\Y minimize the i m pi3.c:t that s,ome of these p-r'-O b 1 ems can hëlve on
i 'It d i 'I i d u a 1 ,:", . t: 'I e -r~ 'I bod y expe)'-'i ences a. ql_\ot e "p-r'o b 1 em in the
c!I"~\an i zat ion" in a 'I e '1'-, 'I un j_ q 1,\ e ~'IEI y. Uh, you can pr--obably look bElck I
into YOUY" 0\1'1'11 Ii -re arid YC<IXr"' oVln fElmily p1" 0 b 1 ems j ," the best place to
-"
look. t,Jhen you ha\r'E' t~ '(-e¿Ü diffit:ult ,::-itIJat ion shaping up In the
f0.miJ.'/ o 'f'" Iii you ~'¡o'f'k '101_\ kno~..¡ v-Jhat qoe ~, on In yoU¡--- be 11 y \ you knov,1
!;\lh ¿i. t: g02':- on in y 0 I_\'r~ hea-r"-t" . . . and th¿\t's- 1.1 n i qUE' to you, y 0 1.1' r-' e qoing to
e ){ I) C? )-' i. e Ii c e tha,t d iff e y' e n t 1 'I " ;:;0 ev(?r-'ybody in this Or'l,F'In i Z¿'t ion feelinq
Pì--C' s S U'(' e h~om any kind of a ¡:n' 0 b 112m, like the~.r: I t 'I P i c¿d 1 'I mentioned,
:i. So goinq to e x p e r-- i e n c e in <:\ d iff e r-' e -It t ~'¡ay . And I don't ~'Iant to
minimize in any \'Iay tl,e impact of that on t j-I e i nû i v i d ua 1. The pf"obl ems
most ¡;: n c· 0 iJ n t e Y" e d ~ and r-'eal1y this i ~. like ,,::\ 12tJnd'r~y list you'd find i3.ny
p 1. ace, inter~nal communications. r'-lo~'! YOlt ~'Iould think th2_t in smaller--
o Y" q ,3,"(1 i Z i..; t ion ~.. thi..'It t h D, t- wot_\ld ÌJe the 1 as.t p-r"-oblem you;d 'j- 1 nd. You c'ali
jus.'\; pick up the ph 0 n e 2nd YOI_\ Cë:\n come to the office he'r"f! E\nd f<en --'QI_\
kno~'¡ '101.\ can i,,::,,::<.tch him on h i~. d 0 0 r-' '::'. t G P {-~t night ---y 0 u, can see St ephan i ("'
some p 1 ê.,C e you i(no~'J. ItJe o v er-"-e s,t i mat e a~· I eader~s; as boa-r'd member--~" ~'I e
o v e r-"-- est i mat e I1m'¡ imp 0 'r-·'i~ 2,n t that ~'¡h ole j s S, 1)_ e of c Co m rn t_\ n ì cat ion s .!. ::.. -9.l:d
how difficult it can become und ['-1'-, So t: 'r-' e s s ZI Es-peci2dl'1' when con s um e-r-'S
a.'ï-·e as ¡{ i II 9 'j- (1'1'''- IBOr"'e and mO·f--e. And emì~loyees 2."¡-·e feeling the pr-' e S S U'r"- e
to deliver-- and ¡"'Ionde'r~i nl.; ho!tJ to do it..
\J'!e' 'I"e not all VJe 11 tjeveloped in " . ,S,'r-·ei-.':t., ~'18 ,Just don1't cd 1
'cna-c
communicate 2'\S· ¡"'Ie 11 ê\S ~'H? coule!. ~::so the m2_i n il2.SUE'" I shouldn;t 5-:3.'1
the main is SI_\8 j but one o·¡- :':1) 12 main on ';': S that always c 'f-' 0 p S up G:\,nd 1 'G
did h e'r--e ,'¡as i nt e-r"-na 1 com rn un i cat j_ 0 n s . The ~, econcJ onc!j v e-r' 'I common and
yet v Gr--y ve,N·V sen~~.itive 'c Q the individual\ the,c is, c 1 a -1'-- if',' i n 9 the 'r-' 0 1 e,
the 'r-' e S po n sib i lit 'I ~ the <:\uthor"'ity, and the accountability. Th¿\t I
P'f'Q bab 1 'I get s· m a ';0, sac)"-ed· m o'I"'e than 2\nythiny e 1 s (;': lÏi o 'r-' ~l ani Z 2 t i (1 n i..;' 1 \"/ iJ -f-'[-{ .
~)omebociy get s, ¿,ssigned to do é:'\ t¿\sk 2nd the gov£'r-'ning pe:'ople f O'f--U 8t to
\'::0'1 er~ thern Hith 21.\1; h 0-(-- i t·r', () 'f-' t r-I e If 1 (" e in d 0 l"tJ::, t e,";::: t· c¡ ~'il-I Q is· ac'c' 0 u·n 1'; .::.{[) 1 e
~"'J¡--J e ï-t \:;t I e get ¿~ 1. ]. dune -~"4ho 'ò>hol.\ld I 'r-'£' por~t to? nnd the-('E' 1t.J ¿\ S II ') t E~ny
P ¿i 9 £-: ;~: ~~;6 1
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fingEn'-- ¡:::Ioint ing in this 1:3 <.=<:(' tic u 1 2\ ¡,~ S 1..lOr···V e Y I; People s"Ùd some of th~2
Së:'\flle things tr-12d:: I he¿t\-~ othe-r-- pl¿;tc-es, II I' 111 just 'ï'lot su¡-~e abo ut ~'Jh ¿';\ t I' 111
supposed to be do i ng, sometilH12s I'm not SU-r--e \;~hü rn Ii iJ 0 ~;:. ~; j "'- on some Qf
these things, J'i I not s u¡-~e who I' m 1'~e s pon sib 1 e to, I hea¡-~ this., I hea\-~
_ 11.
t: i··f L~ t: nnyv-Jay, that's i£:in oïil;join¡:j p'r-'obl em in o-r--qaniza.t ions" It i--' 1'2 "-"I 11 Y
hEls to be ¿I[¡d¡-"e s ~~ eel. All or thf~se iss-ues-, all of the~:-e P¡'--O b 1 e In !:-, ¿n~e
like he<."'.lth issues. If you don't b- '--ush YOI_n~ teeth foy-- i:<. v-Je(~k I--.te 11 you
knQI--J you ¡--- n e i n 1'!Ì:iìn~ s ¿I¡-~e going to stf~·r-.t to tell you. If you don't t¿ike
a bath fen-- "-'I I--Ieek somebody else is ~Fi i n!:¡ to te 11 you.. rn 1 of the,::,(;)
thin[~s, 2'\"(...£, like he¿:dth is-sues, you have to adcli-~e s s them on a v f! ¡-~ Y
-r~e quI a¡--- ba s is.. n-Iey need ,¡- J, n e tun :i_ n~I" nnothe'r-- tl-lin[~ that i ". most
of"t:E'n encount e-r--ecJ i<: matching the ¡-~¡¡:'sou¡-~ees to cust omeY-- €! X PE":c-t ¿it i orl f:-..
",
n1is is p-r~Dbabl y, uh, the !;;p-"-eat est evidence of this in Cit y I--JO-r"-k i '; 'J
¿,md I didn't heëü"- th i s, but tt-HZ'se a¡-"-e some c:l S £:- U m pt i ü n s" t¡--lin~ls I kine!
of su¡-~mise'j you f<f"IOW. Th e¡---e a-r-'e some people that hlDuld like <7:\ po 1 i Cf!! m¿in
on eVe'r~Y c 0 ¡-~n €'¡---, --. t h ¿it [-Jet s a little e>-:pensive - hOlrJ lïI¿tny CD¡---n e¡-"s h¿-Ive
you !::10-(; a¡---ü und h e¡-~e you Ì<TiO~^J? J:::v e¡---y bod y 1,.410 u 1 d like to 1"'I<::,ve the:i.¡-~ sno!,.4J
plowed f i ¡--·s-t, uh eve-(--ybody would like to h",¡ve the ii-" £;t'r"-f.·et s;, SI,.'J(~pt and
all that kind of s-(; uff. U'r"- how C'Dme you hi:-Iven't got the new pi::;' v e men t
in '1'01..\ kno!"..¡ ,~ things like that. II a II II a ¿\nd exp£'ct:ë\t ions ¿\-r-·f!.' on E' of the
m aj tn'~ challenqes of any o-r"'gan i zat i o-n, \J'Jhen cust()ml~'r"!::, exp(:?ct o'¡" any
Qj---g¿tn i 2ëd; ion things that ¿:\r'" e beyond IrJhat they can de Ii ve¡-" in t £'"(--I1IS- of
¡-"e S Q ur--ce s. They'll adopt ever"-Y C'r"-eat i 'Ie avenl.\(;? thi2Y Ci:7ln to fill th<,::,t
need. But the -r~eal it Y CIS it is t h er"'e a-r"-e some thin[ s th¿ilt j us;t clon't
~Iet done f 0 -ï~ C U ::- t 0 fil e -1'-- S .. This is a good example. Unl'! of tli(;? top makE.<'r"-s
of b i nOL:1..\ 1 a-ï"-!::- in this co unt ¡-"-y today 0'1'''- d i ~;;t ¡-"- i but o¡---s ët ~2· YOI,,\ f~¿\ Y is thE:'
r 0 seo ( ? ) people.. [ , not even su¡-~e ~4ih e -1'''- e it' s mad e. rind I' 'Ie hi:.'id i::\
, m
pai ¡--'- -ro-(' a 1 on~,f time.. 1 kept the war"'~f"'ant: E'e c- 2t ¡-~d but 111'1 I,.'J a -1'-- ¡--, ¿it n t
E'>{pi'r"-li:!d, but I had the adc!r-'es,::-.. So .L sent them in fof'-- -1'", l'! P ~3. i 'r~ . Pf'--¡?tty
~:;imple th i ng, I just needed some ¡---ubbe¡-'-'s- c:t-r--O und the top of it ~; 0 I
could qet them up to my eyes ¡:wetty close. We 11, about tl--JO month~;;
I a t E.'i·~, I..\h nothing happened so ~\)e l1Ië:tde a phon!?: c,¿\ll. nnd, 1.11-1 ~ thE.'i---e was
a P-r"ol1l:i.se that I--¡e ~ 11 lool..¡ i-nto it a,-nd \l-Ie' 11 get back to you.. Th(,?y
dic:in~t Ç. E't back to me. ç.¡ couple of mDntl-'"ls latEn"- on we 11I¿lde an ot h E:"¡---
phone call and they said, "ltJell, :i. t' s j I..\st on(':? of thoSE' littlt=: t: :'"1 i 1"1 q s-
v'J £? meant to do and I,<J ii:: cHdn'! t get a-r~O und too " nnd y~?t t h¿it c-ompany i £:-
0-1"18 of the l1Iajor distributors o-f <';Ih j:d_ n ocu 1 a¡-~s, '101.\ kno~·J.. Th (~y' -('-(?
doing i---ea 1 \l-Je 11 . E\t.\l: I' m n(Jt a s-atisfied customer anymore.
(.~pp"-'i¡-"-ent 1 Y'i my e><pectations a1---e mo¡-~e than they can meet. ç:¡h, trleY'i-"'E'
p'r--() bed:d y -r"-ea 1 I]DOcJ 2"~ t: m¿tking bintìcula¡-~, paCf{¿;i[ ing them up and ~:;hipping
em to places like C-r~o S S ¡-'"-o,,-,d s O'f'" something like that.. Uh. blJt \>\Ihen it
com e~:; to taking c:: a -1'''- e cd' a little r,:w-otjl em like th¿tt tl'''IE:'Y C¿ïiï 'j t.. . .. . "
Ch,,-it' s "-, good example of \"Jh e f'-- (? alot of the :i'r~ e S s u ¡--, e in yOIJi'-'
O-r--n¿ln i zat ion 1 s. Little things t h ¿~ t: 0:1 lot of people I,.·Jant thE:\t: they
,j '.\ ~,¡ t c,:\n" t f:1et done. At 1 e<.-'\st the st,;;¡f-f feels th<~it they' ¡-"e being
~;t - '--¡;,·t ch ed in s-ol1le of thesf! S¿iJ1l€'nJluQ 0·1''''" ~ I( ;, So t ho";it 'j s, an o¡"lqoinq
r.n-~obll2m. Üo you r?Ve·f"· solve thii:\t p¡--' 0 b 1 em completely? I don't think so II
I think th~? f"'(;ìalities cd it is i t ~ s a 1 vJa y s 9 cd n £1 to be, £-:s,pf':ci¿dly in
todiElY's hightened al--Ja-r'-- e n e s s ~""bo ut qUê.Ü ity in sei-~V j_CE1 you' ¡-"(;? a 1 \t~ay '::-
~Ioing to be facing rn c, ¡-"- Ii:! than you h¿tve r"'e S 0 tt·r"··c·e s to do it. You j u-"t do
the best you Ci::\n. You t i---y i ¡¡¡ PI'~Q V i n g a·nd urn which I ¿;"~'SUl1le this is all
¿lbout ancJ then you hope to do thE' bes,t and you ed:;tempt to hOPE' that you
don't h<::we too ma'ny vocal Cf~ i tic s ..
~.I a jJ E' ;:~~;b i::-~
Oc·t 0 b ;:;,{'-, 11 ~ 1 :~i ~<3
Steµh2,n:i.f] H2,:;..:ei'1 ~ 1..\1[' 11 ç;i.liU as '",0 un B,~· 'Iou meet thü~.e e>-qJ2c:t.2,-C ion~/7 they
instantly become highe-r~.
D:ic~: ¡vi () 1 0 h un: ]: 'l; 'j ~. j I"\~-t 1 ii, C' 'ì'E\C i II q tl-10',' keep 'r" a, i s i Ii 9 the b¿). 'r~" on
yo u'u
G-L:ephanie Hëil2en~ Um hmm!:
T)ic'k j'ij 0 ], 0 h 0 n ~ Uh$ ¿\not il E''r''$ an ot h L'("' FJï-' 0 t) 1 e m thé:\t 1 s often e n C 0 t\ II t f} 'r'- e d i s-
~ s t -1'" 1,\ q ì 1 e t: 0 e'5t~'=\blish ¿...nci hold c:1, p"r-' i 0)"-· i'c y.. v.Jhen you. hav(-2 ¿th;: an ,,--..10'>:
o'j'" d i 'f f E''r"'cnt: i n t e 'r" est s .::\t v-JO'r"'k ¡--I e'r'-e, ,·¡hen ';,ou ht)ve aJ.Dt of d i ffe"r-'(}nt
q¡-"c,u¡::,s G n .a ·c ~"·¡d,n'Ì.; th i~, c! 1-' \'¡ëilI1 t (" f ¡ \~.., G , i"Ì,:: '1 ~, h ¿ù~d fc;¡--' t i-I e Ü 'f-' 9 a Tì i ;-: {'), ì: ion ç-\ 1
:[ Cj ¿id e 'r" S i 1 i p, ( I'j lìi "',rJ2¿\k i nH in p 3. ·r-' tic· u 1 ¿i "r-' J.n "te","'ms of m ¿\ n 0_ gem en t 0-1'"
de P,9.'(-'t IH en t he,ê'lds) 'G 0 ~. i), ~/, IIOk2,Y,! ~~J e; ]. 1 !~P,-, a b th2,t pr" i c< '1'" i t y ~"i e; 1 1 n<.<.ng
~"J i t r-f - .L !"Jt' 9 11 dE'vote o U'f'"- time 'C u J.t, l:i-¡£'y get ~oing d.nel ë:.\l. on g come':::,
J. k $
"::<,{'I L) the Y" pY'i ü ì' it'! " i4h, n o~'¡ that Ei.tl e ), c 1_\ s e .¡~ () 'r'" , ~ e '(: '(. 1 n 9 the f i 'f"S"l::
- - not:
O'ï¡ i;.:' dune? i\Jo. r:¡nd I didn;t 'f"ee\ 11 y pick up tha,t anybody ItJas ¡¡¡""king E~ny
8)-{C'US::?Sc Um but '.J- -Joe, the 12it'l OT ,. ,L, .Joe lS co \I (?'j"-:i. n 9 ¿,i,l Ct t of
~t,..f'I ;::) t, ,.
ì:; e 'r'-'f-' .i. to ¡-" y, ¿7tlot of trlinlj~' out tllE"r'"'e that people !'·¡ant ¿\nd thE' ,;::.t¿:,ff
people <:,,'1, 'r'" Q: ·5üh1etime':=.. Lliffj,cult ¡'",2','j'-,¡j ¡-:'{-'{2 s S ed to come I,\P ~,¡ i t h 'th(-?
P 'j'-' i « -r~ i t Y and stick IfJ i t il it. I'L: 1 ;:;. no PI--' 0 b). en to come ln on t:h£l
beginning of the vJGek 0-1'" beginning of' the month 0-..-, the beqin'ling OT .;.:..\
i..Í ,,\ 'l ¿,nu est0_bli:,11 p y-' i 0 'e i t Y II rinybody do " , The' ¡{ E' Y \·¡hen
a, c'an 'G ri çlT!¡
Y (j u. '] v e qot limited s"t2\·ff 2nu 2,lot o'¡- dem2,nd·::- 1 ~, hO~'1 Lio YOI.\ ffi<3.1nt:a_ln .~ --. ,
ç,ilIU
hold Oí' to thG\t \) 'f-' i (J'r'- :i, t 'I and dr., 1 ì \0' e'r-' ¿'\ '1'-. e s u. 1 t .. '-:)nd then the-r'-e i ~.
¿~n c< the ),-, C IJ mill ü Tì 2, 1 ), "G 'I , P¡-"O L) 1 e in most often encount e'r~ed; ,~nCl t -Iëilt; S )"'ea1 J. v
e,\ 1 E\c:k Dr Dr-' de f i c' i enc:1i in tl-ie ~·¡hole ¿t"(\f!}êl ~f: t -r--¿i i Tì in 9 - in P8X't i CI_\ 1 ,,-ìf'
e,.:. UI
s:. (j f:'t ':;\--:ills," 1 t.hought th-9.t most 0;- , , people I t <..-..1 ked tu in '/01.\"1"
'cne
c,t¿~,ff I~·I ¿\ci 'ì--ec:£' i veo g c¡ (I ci t ì'-'¿;\ i n i n R J.j"¡ tr-,€! I;J C) 'f-' ~,~ t.hE'Y DOli ::i c, m E' ~"iO U 1 d like
to ~ì L\ \<' e o'i' that ,,,nd ca,ll those h ¿ü'd s 1--: 1 ), 1 ~, . Dut I thought 1- 1 I
¡HO'f"'t? vie \; "' ¿'i,T
mü~.t of t II e ~1 ~..¡ {:2 .r"' £, t ,3.I-{ i n ~J ¿;\d '.! 0,nt ,;:, ~l e 01 \·¡h¿,_t I-tJ8.S offe¡-'-ed. I tho 1,\ ~i h t .t.l-_ _ ,L
1,..1 J~\ I,..
m () st o 'í" them, Glìç~,1 1 m 1:'1"(2:: ~- eo m (õ i..-I. e leE~st o 'i- 1-'_ n d e '1'" ';;, t "-<. 1'1 din 9 the i r'- \-'-J c! 'r""~~ ;s
I V~J E, ~;., ci i2 1 i g h t e d to t Ol.\"r-' I beliE'vE' all of the fëilcilitie", including the
f''snt;2st ic' ~~Jast:e t 'r""e.s.t, In f2nt: p.L~4,nT dO\'¡n the)'-'(2 ,!- I~, - one th2t hoo\--:s up to
._, \,·1 j \::'
f3t" Cloud. -I ilese \'¡e'r-'e c: 1 e ¿\ n ¿\nd nE'at f ¿, c- i 1 i tie 5· -- you ~;nQ"'i t¡'12'r'E 1 " no
, ~ I -ì,::y"t¿atment o'i" ,(-. G ·S jJ Ü 'j"' ,::. i b i 1 i t \/ ~-. peopl r:; doing the :i, -r~ job Vie 11
si~laL:)L)Y ¿:.{,·r-' e as
a ~; an,¡,bocJy can ,- I \'J ü Ij ], c; think -- ¿i n cI duing 1 ·C ',·¡e 11. But the things
1_! , thoy don't to Ld;:- t h f: \·¡I-.o l2 o'r "I u. m a Ii y"elat ion:-s
>c: !~I':? 'G :: ''2 \~ 111 9 2 eel 1'1 g 11"1 a ).~, e .3-
t )-, ¿:\ i n i n q , ¿\nd I"d 1 H:E' to l' d li k2 m.::\ke point ""Öout " , Uh, li"
'C 0 <.3. -c n¿i.-C.
\-"'DU; ve lived in ~~.:\ f ¿~ In i 1 'I \')i th aloe OT kiûs in 2. small house '/ () 'J, nE'(?L¡
hUril¿<,ÎI 'r--2 1 ëilt ion '", t 'f"'a i n in 1=1 II j\~ Ov¡ l' d like to t¿d{e that one s.t: f.'p 'F I.\"['-t Ii e 'r-'.
I V·Jt3. s· IJl"l V Y '(. 0 ';,;;, t.,?Y"'\/ e in ~J () 'f~' J. d \')d-r" .. -; -2,nd the ~~ 0 .,-, (~' 2. ìì t·)¿,x in the !\~av y
,/01..\ ¡'I e ed (, U í!l Ç;\ n "i'~'e 1 ¿,"t: i on~" t -(",:;, i n in g to live on bO¿\·¡A·d ~,Ii1¿dl ~"hip~'ø 1rJhon
y (1), don't have ,¡- ·r-· (2 '2· i~! \"',12t e·r.... ¿~nd yot..\'ve gOG t \--'J e rl~; y -~ e i 9 h t: pelH:.le or¡ ¿\ C,!,:" ..-\
.¡ ()() ,'.' ' the [:'¿\cific:: 'Iou need h!.\m¿~n 'r-"e]. at i on~, t: 'f~' ¿\ j, n i II g " You've
T (t 0 ·c.: I;; = ! " a 11 1 n
!dol: to h2,Ve "1"-' e S' ¡.) e C't: ¿:Ind c:onc'(?Y-'¡'¡ ":3.nd 'r O'r"g 1 V e(I e -::= 'IOU kno\'¡. \(OU.7 \/8 go't
\,: [I r-¡·::'.\./e ëillot of those t¡' i1iÇJS t: ¡-.! ¿"\t aY"e cE\J.led hUIi121.n -r-' e 1 ¿~ t. ion s' t: 'r-'::\ i 'II i n l~.
Now somebody lHiqht S E\ 'I '! "l·J 8 11 gee\ tha,t; s j I-'_St common sense 9 'r~ 0 H 1 n 9 up
OIX( uf h C) 111 e II ~ you kno\'¡? 1\1 0 ~.~J , ','I E' 11 I ,",I_\ì---e s· e 'rN, V e cI ~.¡ i t h ~, !"¡ho 1 e bUT¡ch (j T
!;! 1.\ 'I S ,!_ ,_ "_ ,11 didn~t k'novJ th..-~t Ii fl L:'. ~-i -ì ¿=;" and today ~~--,! (~ï d find the £"~J.m 8- thing.
1,...1 I <-~ l,
Human 'f-' e 1 E\ 'e ion s l'r"2, i n i n ~ "" \; 'r"¿,_ i n J_ n 9 1 ~. ¿;:, \I¿.::.1 u¿d,) 1 E' 2SSEi'C _._ ~~ ,,,I 2 V ¿i 1 U. 2:1, b 1 E'
~~ II U
i'iì\Jì2st.ment.. I ':~ t ~ -¡"~I d s. to û8 U,e q j'" e (?, .~ e 7 Ii 0 u. knOhl, 'c h-:.;,t d,h e 1 i í[1 i II t-..:;. -1.:: £' s-
,,?- lot '--'" ,r;, ï:; n e f·(', i c·t: i 01'1 in O·r-'g¿\í-¡ i Z2t i on2\ 1 ;.;,Jo·,-'k. l~Jhen you. ¿\-r--Q <3. S k :., n q
UI
people "t: 0 \Ilea-(, .:::;, 3, \J'G ur hs,'t!::" UD ,::\ lot o 'j': things~ be 2i.lot clf pl,3c'2~;-7
r'age ;::: ~3 t.~ 2;
¡Jct obe1--' 11 ~ 1'j'j2;
'r"-e m e m be-(' alot of tl"'linL s "·~~.t"·i I} it:9s. e {:\ ~~ \/ f:Or~ tempe'r"-~; to qet shc<-r"-t~ it I; S
E'ElSY to be str--es-s-E'd ln tho!:-!? s.itu¿:¡t ions-. rind it: they und e1---st ¿-\nd hUIii¿tn
]-"-elè:i.t ion? human bel"l¿i vi 0 ¡---? -i:.'Iïl cI pe-r"-haps i::lh tl-:e soc:i_¿d s,tyl(2 tl'li:.it
accompanies t¡",¿it pe-r--S, on, they unde-f~stand ¿I little bit bet t er"- ö:ibo ut
listf2ning <3.nd ~ìÐtting feedback. f~ih thI2Y'! Y'e l]onnë.\, t h ~.:~ y 'i "r-' (.2' l]onna i~i i0. V {.?
i" e \.'1 e r-' I::n~ () I:¡]' e m s- in trH? 0-('9an i z¿d:; ion. T h <II'!:; kind of t-r--,¿Iining i s- ¿I Flood
inves.tment fOr~ <:Iny o'('-flan i zat ion today, but in p en-'-t i c: 1..1 1 i;Ü"- f: Or~ small
Or--~Ian i Zë-\t ion s, wh E:r~e they h¿._ve to wea-r~ s-o m¿lny hats and do so m¿lny
thin~Js.. So that's i.::¡ common pr~obl ('?1í1 and <3.11 of thoS,I2 pr--obl (?ITIS. you knoh
T could say t'xis-t to s-omf:! degr--ee r"i ght h E' -r"- 12 MO'!.' ¡;¡t. Joseph. But I would
.,. <::\1"
al;;:,o 1 i ¡Hi to po j_ nt out this <::q;1 a in.. \'-Jhen I C¿''I!! (;: o v e-r-- I C'i3.liIl:;< o v er-- ·:3. -¡-'el.:\\
minutes 12211-'--1 y ë:\nd dr"'o v e ar"-ouncJ the City. This is a 1"1 iCE' community.
\-Je' ¡-"-e her-'e in relative ease i.'\nd com f 01"-'-1,:; -- \.^Je; -1'''-12 not t h-r--er::<.'\:; eï'l '2d by
,"I'nything outside" Alot of good things- ar"e hëippf:!n i ng in bt. J" 0 s- e ph . In
alot of -r~espects \t-Jhen I when I looked iÖ\ t ti'--¡i2 assiqnment~ I ~,¿Üd t h i ~ö
,
is alot 1 U{(? ¿I E-mall businE'ss. And urn you ."1 ë\ V E! st ocl,,:h old e"r'--~'; ?Ind
-(--es-idents, the t aXpi:i y e¡---s ¡;:.,nLi the oth('?-r~ \lO-cer"'SR YDU hi:iV(:: i3- bOi;;\-r--d 01'
d i j--- e c:-t tn~ S , \.'Jh i ch is ye,u the C01_Inci 1, ö:\nd thëd:;' s- an i nt e-r"-E' s-t i n ~I 1-"-01 e tD
s e"rO'.V e II You'r"-e elected Î-:JY i:<. con st it uency ; and the minute,; you ~!et OJ'
boön"'d you'l ¡---e s-upposed to set that êiside, ë:1 -¡:; 1 IZ'é:\ E-t in pë:n"t, and become a
p¿,ù--t of t¡"le b i !;;I t:;¡ e -r~ pi ct 1,.\'('-12. And that's not allNays e.¿7\sy to do,
especially i i" you'! 'r~e ~jetting p-r"ess-ur~e f-r~ 0 m thos-e peopl f.-' \.'Jho !:;¿;Iid, "I-'IE' y,
VJ f? put ,/O!"\ in office you ¡-<\"IO~'J, we want to gf?t this donc~.. " f'4h that Si:\me
things happens on bOö7I-r"'ds of d i ¡'~E'ct O-r--S on n on----pr''-o fit cn~~! aïl i Z ö:\t ion s- ë\nd
chur~ches, chur---ch e s Si:.ime tì'-¡inçl· t10 you have S t ocktw 1 chn----s 'I you hav(?
b Q öH-'d of d i -r~ect Or~ s lH:e you the Council, you ì--IE¡ve sté\ff'S you have
ma-naL~ er--S and f¡'---ont line employees, you h{::tve pr-'od uct s and '::;- (?-r~V ice!:,. You
make good \rJat er"- he"r"·en You've got po 1 ice I::n~ot r::ct ion a ~~ i::\ ~;er---vice, ItJas-t e
tr"-eatrnent, clean str"-eets, and you.? V(? got I::w 0 b 1 ems --- I i .{ e ~~'r'-'o\t-J:i. ng pi:"ins,
cash floltJ, ¿lnd .. - f::¡h'l you people thÖ:lt r~un fO-r~ City offic:-IZ' rnu~;t be
1,1rne.
combin¡3.t ions of I'JO'r~ki:ïhOl ics and masochists ....·th i s has got to be i:.' tough
_job to do in addition to -unles-s you' -r--e -- -, ] independently wealthy and
~\.!. .
havel:lJlnu i'lil.::omes-, 0-1'''- something like that..
St: e ~!Ì"' è:ï 1"1 i e Hazen: I don'! t fall into thi:¡t IrJeë:d thy cat E' 9 O-r~Y.
Dicl-< l>1olohon: But -r"-ei;¡ J. 1. y, I' m se-r~iOU!ö .ta"nd ¿{\"lei the "f'-' (.? i3. S () 'n we? 1'--[.2
pointing that out is becaus-e the people that I t ö:'ll k f: d to '"" them s e f: m ed
to unci er-'st and that. They seem to und e- '''-s'l:; and that tl"'.ey wt~Y'-e \.'J IJ -r-- !-{ i 1"1 g f O·r-·
b 0 ,,-n"-cì S 0'( d i -r"ect Or"S, lo'Jho havE' alot of ot h er-- things to do ö~nd t h ë\t camE!
to IrJD' '''-k a-,-,d made thi:.'t cont'r"j_ but i on besides. v.J'211, all of tl--',ose things
like y 0 U-r~ r"'e s i c:I€'nt s- and ';' 0 u)-" t",¡){p¿iye-r-'S, é:ind y (J U 'r'-- fr~o'j"lt line employee~'õ,
and YOU]-"- !;;wowin!;;¡ pains and othe'r-- pr"oblems ove-r"- all of that is the
continu¿;ll question ~~ and the one th¿-¡"[; -r~eall y !;Iot me involved in Y Ci U'f'"
a$si!~nment was that, t:h2lt WE'!~, , hOIr! can you be mO-r~e effective,? ¿'\s {'~\ City?
¡"-Jhat can the pec;.ple that manë:"tge the City dc, to be rn cn"- e E!ffect:i. 'l€'? HO\.^J
t::-an \.4Je be i:\ IT! O'r--e ef:fective community o't wo-('k 8r"-S in the ".-- in this City?
~o~ when I get ë-ln as s- i I;Jn ment like this, I like to do 2'\ 1"1 urn be-r" of things-
I:; e f' (;) Y" e I get in ver"-Y deep into i-L ¡:::1nd th<::tt is t: i.::¡ k (" ¿i look i::i-r"-ound "-"i:.'nd
¿,ilda i ÍI I \.^J a rd:; to point out thElt the¡---e'l S~- alot of thin[!s-i- wor~k i ng 'rJE': 11 in
St:u Joseph.. That's \) e ]'''1 obvious, arid sometimes it? ',:; good 'fo-r"- ¿ill of I_IS
to foclJs on that. E\tlt if ,/01..1 focus on the 'rJh (lIe is S U£t of impy-·oved
e-¡::f ect i v ene s s as an OJ-"!;I ¿H¡ i zat i on'3.1 90"''11, we can dpply lï!dny of t 11 E' ~5è.im e
'r--emedies th¿lt othe-r~ O-r-'gë\ÏI i Zëlt j, on s· hö:lve E¡ppli¡:'d. Bec¿lusf.< they?ve got
Paqe 2..:;b.it
Uctübe-,-' ii, 1 <),-) 3
-;::·üme o '¡- the S2m<? P 'f-' () b 1 em·; 'j like: 1 ~-i?,lU1 t: tool e Y" (?; ~. -¡-. e;.:"_11\" n 0'[. t l-i,::;.t f:1u.ch
n(;!\"J uncJ£ty" the sunf! n"d? ai, 1 ,¡- +G i~ì E:.I Y ~"J 0 'f-' ~~ f 0',-- t: ¡"j e In Ì"Je c¿;\n 1 eat-'n ~-¡t-, 'I the
~.\! (I '('. k R ¿:;, y'¡ {j VJhy the ~/ ~\¡ 0 Y" k '" r;, 'J "¡ It! e 3.'¡--'(2 iè\bl i" to 'r-'f~pl iC"D.t. e 21 üt: (} .¡~
~ I", " _l 0
~~. i t,: UE\t i on~· in te'r~'ms 0'1- t ',--- ¿I i n i n q ~ ¿"nd I tl, ink '/ou111 find " ,
T·¡·Jëi.G -c ¡¡¿I'G
the'i'C?j -, , Of" (~ C (:) rn m t' If 0 2.'r 1 (:I n ".::' Vi i 11 11E11p :./ au do Cn¿i1:·.. ," . 11 D 'f-' 9 8. n i z a. t i [) 1-, ¿, 1
ç;:d 11 ~'U
Ë'ffec·t. i \/E'nes~· i co the gc)¿;d> th~'n 11 d y"eC'ommEi"'O thE\t G n E' Ci t Y ot (".J.. ,.Jü e
- ~ \Jt.. Ii
invest ili some t i-'~; i -I', i n ì] . i-:¡I'o th2se dr"'E (-I, e a 'ï~' e a s .1. I.. _ .1_ I ~-JoIJld
l,.1 Î~\ l·
-,-, e com m E' n c! ~ d_nd not: nee e !;, S ¿, -r-' i 1 'i in this o-r-'d e-r--, but tr"If2SEr ¿-t'r-' e the a 'f'" e 2\ f~
t:h2t I; d l-' e com rn Eli d . 1"he f i '¡b,'::,t a'r-' C 3- th,?~t: I 1-¡d'v'(2 f 0 U ¡Î d ], '¡ ~'j my ,'1 o-¡--' \-: ~l-J 1 ì~ n
()'r-- Ç¡ ¿'\ n i ;:: at i 0 Ii ~- , ,;;:,nd I b,=:lieve i t ~ s 1'"2i 'j-' ,1.- _ say that ð,ll OT my vJD'r-.k IS
I.U
uÜ¡ï8 \'"i th s m ¿:'\ lIe "r-' () "f-' ~¡ -2. l~Î i :.~ c:' t: i ü n s. ~ I1 \,/ e been .'" SIn3,II bu.sines.sf:1an in '/ =. e 11-
t' O-r-' Y' €' ¿i ·f.... ~. - s,o Ilj rn not a F Ol-·t un e 5 (H) t~lpel: But I ~'I 0 u. 1 d S.D.y th-,Ü s;. ü m E:!
t'[,"'-ininq ut this U " "' d e '(" ~. t ~3. n din g bas. ic' human be h L:'" v i ü 1--' 'j ¿=t.n y CII_~ knoh' '~-'Jh .~.:.. t
makes j):l C f~ 1"10 1. 0 I, 0 n ì: i L'l.; is a littlE' bit d iff e -r-' E' Ii t than Ì"ih¿\t m¿Ü~es t'iëlY Or--
R e be "f-' tick. t-:¡nd "; ah, if \.'J2 have tü \'IOr"'k 'j' e a 1 close togeî;he'f-' -- it might
be [Iood .¡- U'r-- him 'C D kn ü ~"J thE\t I need <),lot of 1 at it '_Id e . Ah, if f=' £'? s
(,Ionni'" !,jive me arì ¿i S S i ~1 n iil e n t. ; the ~£J.:? y I 1 i l-~ e -c 0 get it is, .~,III._o (J 1-< I! ¡..\ e"r-'î;? '; I;>
~'¡hDt I Iii ant as ¿t,n outcorlle~ D~\c'~~, c'an you do t h ë\t ? rind IT 1 ~.ay y E'~"
, , l' d like him Ì.Ja¡_~k o'¡-'i- ¿IÏld .~ -. \ ~ "UI,iÕ\Y, 'ï~' e p íJ "(" 'C 'C 0 me:: ,
'C n er¡ L(: I] na.\·'e ..;:¡. Q, t , II e >< -c
I"îonday I¡-Ji th the J cll:) done. " \! D V·J l:it¿it: '} r::. t.: h E.' kind of B. 2,t,;,le that: I 1 :L k [,
'C ü t¡.Jû·(··k u.nd~?·r'·:. Ut h 2Y" people C'üm2 J.n anu s.ay, "Look, u. m, 'y' iJ :_1 k n 0 ~~J I got
illY d e 9 'r' e e In t II is 0','" t::n¿f,"t, ¿HHJ I' íil f'eal I n-' 0 fie i en t on c 0 B1 put E' 'r-' S you
tell me \t' hat to do, and a 1 01'" Ll th,'3! !,.!-¡¿~y J, \&J¿-t.l-It ';õ, G m e bod Y 'C 0 check my ~..~ 0 ,,-. i-~ 1I
.l don'1t fE'e 1 gODe¡ IJnles~. I; m gr;:t:ting aka',..s ¿,\loÏl!d the ,-I¿\.y_ Tho,:,.e é;"ü--e
nL''G Vi e ~·3.1-< p80µle, those 3,l" f2 Y'j {j 'G I.) 2, d people, t.1-¡üSG ,3,r-'[] not 10IJsy
c~mployeE's," .-¡ t~1 a'L 'j ~~. .j ust c;, ~. 'c 1"/1 [, of beh¿\v i 0';--; ¿;~nd ~"J e need cd_I kinds of
i) e 0 p 1 e like th2\to -·{01....-J ~,¡oulci y OIJ like -c 0 fly ~¿.1 it h ;::. (J in e b [I d \,l v¡ho c!idn?t
c· cl 'r~' £1 ¿\ t_1 0 ut. the c1E,tails. -¡-¡I¿\t; "', !:n~'o baG 1 y the bes.t al;ël1 O~lY I c"¿'.n tl-I ink
C) j' r. ~)iJ.ots <3.'("'12 not n e c· ;:: s s a'r-' i 1 '/ GHc·it j.'ng peopLe, bu,-l,:: they ¿,-,-'e ve'r-''y' 1.,/ f!: '(~ v
~iood c:ì eta i 1 p €, 0 I_I 1 e !i They knü\<'1 Ii 0,'1 to check the "-'eco-r-'d s of people
v..,1i') 0 7 ve ~. e'f-'V i c' ed thej-r-' plð.ne,¡ th(?y !( n U~'J h O~'I to ch i]ck "-' ~I.J e ,s. the- i~~' b e f ü j'-' e
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't.he:l t¿'\ke off., thE:'Y ~{ n u 1~A~ how "CD do a.lot: o 'f things befo-('-[, they eVE:"(" get
ii-I the !) 1 ¿n-, e " Pnd ~'ih (::1', they get lTl 'C Ii I::; plcê\ne, they 2\'\,~'e alul, they I~I,,-;n 9
U·¡-¡ de\;2il':;-, e ',; GY'-Y little detD.iJ., ¿¡.no thE'Y q e"c Ij ~. ~'Ih e r-' E' they want .1- _ go.
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UIJt 1 ii, e T .;'::<.1 ~)t ù f' them a 'ï~' e Ïi' t e;c~citing peolJle , 1 d on ~ t:
'~ay , ~./ e 'r-' Y i..=c.ntJ
think J c: [I u 1 LI do t:h2"('" Ah, m¿;~,,/ue ."1 --' be ¿"t cJiffer'ent kincJ Df ¿, pilot.
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~'J ell anY~'lay; to I),nd 12-,-- stand the..t those cJ ì '¡'" e '¡--, e nee -3 among people~ I t: ;-, i n 1--::
1 -:', .::\ ve·(··y i m PD'("'C ant p ,?, ¡,n_ t of i m p'r-' 0 vi n L_: communication ¿\lid j u~,t gene'r--¿\l
C) v e· ·...{.;\ 11 e f 'f e c· t i \/ en e -::=. s 1 f'l './ 0 iJ 'f-' a ,¡-. q .:3. n 1 Z 8 L(. 1 0 Ii :> 1 '¡- I C'2\n uno e-r-'S -c 3nJ ~"Jhù-G
Iii ¿i ~~ e s I'-ì-(' . Loso t i c.:'k, Ü'r-' ¡'ia yo -¡--, H E' b f: ...-. tick, ,~\nd {:.he'l '-\ Ii cI C ,¡-, s tan cJ ~-Ihat
m~,k2£. Hi (, tick, therl "! e C"ð.n 1 eV8·r'~·0.ge one ~ n G 1:. h e ,¡-. ~ S 1_\ n i q I_I 2 n e 'c:- s B.nd ,'1 e c·z..:;.n
bit f(J{--gi','in~:i i diD ::. y n C··r'" 3. ::;. i EI S ~ --, othe,~·
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thE' ~"J h D 1 e i~c,~-ue of c· 0 Hi m un i C· 2:\ t i ü n s . ~:in cJ th is. --- :;, , '101_\ k Ïi Ü\."J ~,ome oy th i~-
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a\-ly[¡ucJy hO'r-'e to ¿iii, all to tell me t h¿ït thE'Y' ,¡--e 2\rl out 'C, t E\ Ii J in g, c 2'. r-' (2 T' U 1 ,
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t: h ¿{ t 'i ~';, no'G ¿I L"r-' i tic' i ~~. IT] 0'( ¿,\ny one of you, but: J. -, m teJ.ling yuu r~ ,_ _.., t h i~,
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W¡'IU 1 E J-:)iJ S i ·(1 c::::·-:.:" OJ listening you }-~n ov·-.\ i:: a.n i In p 0 ·f-·t ·=:\n t: PEÜ-'t () r ~..~ i J 6. 'ç .' ':.
, . - not happE'iì i n9 office€" and it' 5 ""omething t h¿\t CiS.n
1'2.\ PF"-'" ¡-I 1 n 9 0,.-- Ii'! 'I 0 u'[-,
L)(~ t 'r'-'.':.', i n ed. People c ,',\11 1. ee\'r-·n nOVJ 'G 0 1.istenn B!x!:- '=:-oHlobody 1ì3,=, 'C 0 =,¿, y:;
" ~'J (' '1 {-. l! qoing to have little - -, on t h i ~~ ~ '/ au '} 'r-'Q:: '-ioing , q;:;:t
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- time off to do this, you'r~e f!oÏina sit d 0 I'm 1t,lh en VDIJ cotTle he-f'e,} ",'H¡d
don't WQ'r...·r~·y about YOUr-' WO-f~~:" You know, the issue is -'IE·l p YC1u become 2\
bett er--' listener--" ('::¡h'l th,'£\t's i:æ.TI i m PO-f't ant par-'t: 01-:: the 1t,lh 0 1 e
communications thing. Another-- par"t clf co mm un i C¿;lt ion s in yo U'f' situation
is the delegation. f:"1h, ther--e's i:-\10t of assumptions that sOI1l(2l:Jody ~\ i 11
iust do someth i nl:;¡ because they've been he-f--f!! s-o lonçj.. Th¿;\t' ~¡ n at Ui"-'é:\ 1 in
any Or--fJt:\n i zat ion, but i'I;' s not good. We shouldn't take it fo"r'-' !;I'f--ant eo
t h t:1 t just because sumebody's held a job fOr-- a cer--t ë\Í n pe"r" i od of time
that they kno\.-\1 all ¿-\bout it and tt-Iat ItH2 don't hi.'\ve to givE' them any
s upe'fn-v i s i on, Or~ that we don't have to you knoto'J, pé:'IY attention to them..
And yet that's a common thing that c¡-'eeps in. So the ItJh () 1 e issue of
delegation ë~nd then l:;¡etting feedback -- '::ih, if I deleg'::lte to Hachel some
~,\Io'r"k to do '--ah, I' m !;loing to be negli~lent a<t: h e-f-- supe'r~viso-f' if I don't
Si::IY, "ItJhE'n can you get back to me?" rind s,he Së.iyS, " I' 11 !; et be\ck to you
in a week. II f~nd I'll s-ay to her' sQmething 1il-{e~ "lJkay I' 11 check with
you mid-week ,j u s t to s-ee how you' 'f~e doin£l·" BecausE' I, if I kllo!rJ
<'.:\nything at all ê:,,¡bo ut Rachel's job, iSftu~a \Ne,::\i'--i ng a \,\!ho 1 e bunch of
h¿tt.s/f she'! s ganna have tl-Ir~ee 0-(' fOl.n~ people ¿~<::,kinl~ f Or~ the Sè:\me thing,
and she i !:> not a m ach in e . She'is just anotl-Ie-r-' human bein~~ 1 j, 1·( e the r'-E'St
of us with a b"r"ain that samet i liIes- isn't functioning - dOE'sn' t ¡-'f~ m e m be'f--
all of tho~,e things. Th,::.t' s a pr-'O b 1 em th¿~t I have. I hiave 1 ea-r'n eo to
use thinr:ls 1 Un? day"''!:; i mer--S, and ah, ah~ voice me s' s¿~g i ¡-i!~ . -Th~~y help me
keep t r-'ack of ItJh at I have to do.. But th",..t' s just d. tool.) iancl (2 v e-f'Y bod y
c1€-!SEJ'r"·ve~. to hë:iVe some [J,oc,d t t'a i n in g in th¿d; ë;\r"'eau Then you can do
things in t'f-'ai n i ng like establishing pr-- i O¡"- i t j, e s, th(2-f~e' s some
i nt et~es-t i ng tr~aining o p P C)f~t UTi i tie s in that. Some of the~.>e t ¡-'--c:\ i n in 9
sessions ai"-e nothin!;;l lTIor--e than getting <:'''1 good video i::ind mElkinq it
available to the staff to t ë\k e home fo-I'"' a to'Jeek C)f~ sOfßf?!thing like that.
Ah, tl---Iej---e's t.::-\pe set s that a-f--e good" fhe ('::¡m e'f' i can tilan",-:¡g em ent
~:1ss-oc:iat:ion pr~Ov ide s aIot of good i nfor'mat i on that Cê:,,¡n bE' 2¡v¿Ùlable to
o-f'-gan i zat ion s like 'Our'sel-f". Role cli::n--i ficat ion ..... th¿d;'s i:.-:¡n ongoing
thing - espE'cially \I-Jhen you h'::lve a change-ove'f~ at the b 0 ë:ïr'd level, Or'
~'J!"ien the City q-(--OWS and ¡¡¡D-f~e ¡---(~ s pon sib i 1 :i_ tie s i:;''¡--' e adcle(j to a I:::U,2 -f-- son ,
:i. t' s t~eall '1' i mpo-f--tant to tell individuals, II Let' s sit dOlrHi and ~Io OVE'r--
y 0 tn' -f~ole. Let's fj.nd out whiat y 0 Ut~ job descr--iption i SII H,'3.s it
changed? f:¡h, 1 can ass 1..\1'-' e you that most of the responsibilities, ah if
we have documented eve·f'yboc.1y' !:" -f-'espons i bi 1 it i es t ~'JO '1' ei:<.r--S ;;:q:;¡o o¡_n- even
less to'Je'd have some changes in em by no~'J today -- just the to'J¿IY things
,":i¡-'e going. Uh, YÜIJ kncn-J YCIU i'Jak 12 up t Q m Q -f"f-- 0 ~-J mO-r"ning th(,:\-'e V,I i 11 be E~
n 0H'J mand¿:lt e fro-om eithe¡-' St at e Le g i S 12\(; I,n~e, 0-1'-' Cong'f-'ess, 0\-"'- somebody
about hoto'J you'r-'e supposed to beh£\ve in you-I'-- r--O 1 e he¡'--e ::i'- a Counci 1
c: ::>
meml:'e¡--' CI'r~ ciS a City o'f'1"lciaL And -t!"1Q s e ttÜnçlS caus-e chançlE's in OIJ'f~,
in OIJ)'"'- ¡---Q 1 e, in what w(,'! hi.'\ve to do. So, Cli:.-:¡r--ify thE- -f--ole, ¡.~ flood .job
dest::'r"i ¡:Jt ion and qett in!;! an Or~[42H'1 i :;;~¿¡t i on a 1 c --I '::1 Y-- t that j ç: 8-0 ~:~¿\sy that
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you kno\"I, a g'f--ad e school kid Ci:.-:¡n come in iand S':lY'1 " I ~r(!2e th,"-it so ¿-:¡nd so
i"-'epO'r~t s to so and So 0 ~ I see th¿-\t this pe- '~son j r.: this pe'f-'son'! S
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S!..\PE'-f~V i SO¡-~ n 0 ~-J " " Nov-;, that sounds so easy to s- it and dr--ßto'J i-~ job
desC'i"'-i pt ion ¿\nd !tn~ite up a 0'('9an:i 2at i anal ch ën-·t . But i'JI"-len you sit dOi'm
and ¿IPP 1 Y you'('-self to it -- it' s a tough job. The¡--'e ¿i'(--e ",ill ~: i nel s of
thin~~s demandinf '1' 0 u' " attention and yet somE' of them, s-omf? of tl-Ielil
don't fit thê'.t on~an i zat i Dna 1 char--t, you knoltJ. The net effect is that
some t II in f! S .j us-t don'!t get done .::'¡s well .::,s other'thinns do -that') 5 one
c;.f the ot h f?¡-' -f--ealitiE's of life. But the -1"0 I e c 1 ,,,,'f'- iF i CElt i 011 ItJO IJ 1 <:.1 bE'
sOf( ethin~4 'lDU could ....JOr·'k on Em d the¡'-'E' is I::-sl !?nt y of help ë:\vai lc"7-\bl E~ of ()-r--
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kno~'J that the Am ey' i can Yìanagement r.¡ssoc:i.at ion f1 a~.;. alot o-i- !:;Jood stuff:.
Ah, I knoirJ the both the un:i ve-.-'s, it i es \o'JO u 1 d ¡--¡a\ve, ah, good stuff" Ç1h~ ...
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knü\l~ the f"echnic¿:\l College, you. knol¡'I,; hi:7lS alot of good things
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m i qìït. hal,le inteì"--es-t in the fut uì"--e, theì"-'e j <:: the whole i ss·U(" of
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policy 2'..nc{ p'.--oceci Ul"~e dE'vøloprnønt --thélt' s- kind of bOì"--ing. It? f.~ not
n e a"r" 1 y as m t..l~::·h fun ~æ.~. futl),-r~istie ah sty--at e~1 ie- pli:.<.nniïìfl" i3ut \o',¡ ~"1 (" n you.
es,tablis-h a policy, you k n (HeJ, it;? s like ë:"¡ Ten Commandment, )l D U know.;
it'i £" !Joing to t:) e (Ei. '1'-. 0 ¡..t 1'1 cl ('2-.\~Jt-\ J. .L e unles-s you cha1ì!~i.~ it. i-=1ïïd i'f= you deni? t
p¿~y attention to it, ¿H'¡d it get s, i gn in'eel, you just: Cì"--e¿lt e ~rr-- 0 b 1 e III S f O-r-'
you-r~si::lf" So the \o'lh 0 I e issue of- policy dev\:::lopme-llt i:;¡nd thi'2n th(2
pr~oced IXr~e S t had; back up the policy .....-1:; h ["r'''e? E t 'r-'c:1 i n i 1i q aVEI:i.lëlble to you
on thi::¡t. You I-<nol'J, maybø this is ,1. .:;:. i;1 once in c.'\ lifetime type thing
t h¿~t you~d go to, In i gift he a day {) 'í~ t itJO s-omepl¿lce, 111 i hl!,t h¿:tve s-c)l1Iebody
\.::ome :i.n ,",,-nd de:< it ., O'r~ YOI..tl P,ut th¿?,t hlould help you mi'nimizf2 some of
the ah, little fi-("es t h iT, t; (J CC U. -.-- beCaU!:-E' peoF,l e ë't '(" t·) n '} t ~'-U-(·,[! what
i-I a P ¡J e 1ï e d " (..je 11 devised policies bL'\C!-< ed up by cl e¿¡¡·..· P-(·-o C: (,2 d uy·- Ë' s on ¡"IOIr,1
to eH2cute that policy, ;tJ i 11 ~:;2\V e b 0 ë:\ -r~-ci s- of d i ì"·-ect C¡"¡'--S tons of w 0 r~ k D_ncì
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decision in t -('-<:i i -n i'n!~ v-Jhen you decide to v i e~'J it ¿"l ~:. an investm('2nt" Do
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the Wi::ì'/ ? '! \J u"' y··e going to get a ~!oùd ¡Jë\ y --·bE\ck. 1\10\0',1, how much of '-'\
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t 2<_1 i-{ to i"- hl..tnd-r~ed people like myself ¿tnd get (':;\ h i..l n d'r"- e d d i ffe-(--("nt ~
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Dick 1'1101 ohon ~ NQ, that v,\¿, :. not ,1 stand,::\r"-¡J pa-('-t o¡- the Jy--oced U-ï'--e. The
em pi 0YF.!E:'!E, !tJer~e all !;l i lien thei-f-- o ppOrH-t un it Y to t 2:\1 k and y~¡?ally in the
talking people )·..·{?veal themselves. JIm 5U_- '"-e th¿Ü if Y(Ju~ \/e be ~2n
w¿~tcì'liÏlq me you kno!t,) th¿lt I t ¿d. k ~AJ i t h my ¡---lands quit¡~ ¿,I bi t 'I ¿ind I like
~~ood eye conte-.ct ~ and thin~ls like th,::\t. {."4nd I "; e e thi:'it IVi)"'-" '-_050 dOi~S
thf::' samEr thing - he'l s 0::\ P-(--f!t t Y contemplative SOr~t _co quy"
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_Bûb Loso: I'm listeniïì~].
(In¿:lud i bl e)
D i C~{ iVlcd ohon: But people ar~e differ~ent, you know. rind then 1"-1 E~ \'~ e '! s
;3t(~ph¿~nie leaning DVeY~ ju~;t I¡-JL-'\nt i'f'lg to get ,,-'i little bit 111 O'rH-l~ involved
in t¡'H¡Ð ~...¡h ole thing. nnd Y 0 I.\i'H- people ItJE'r~e thli!! samE~ I¡-Jë:¡ y. nh~ so Ir-Je -(--I':! 2'ld
thern~ I think I \_H-ea¡J them all ve)·...Y well.
1'~Qs. E· Rieke: tAJh ë:i t I me2ï1ït, I ~'JaÏlt eel to kind¿i t ci k e a cI i - '-'¡~ct i on \--'Jith
ti-¡at. Is that something that I¡-Je should be 1 Ü 0 I-d ri!] at in . '~ e 1;1 a-fh'd to to
j'\ e 1 pin 9 people bet t €-'!r~ unde)'~stanel? In othe-,.-, ~AJ Cl\-~ d s you mi?:ntioned ItJE: can
1. €'! ',,' e \."- is, ¡:¡ e qu,:;:~1. it ie:.¡;-~ f cn-'q i v e i d i c< s yncr-'a s i e s" If vJe don't identify I¡-J i th
one ¿in cd:; h e- '~, and open up to one an ¡)t h eY~ in on th i s- s-mi::d ]. 0,1'-1 i p, !tJh¿it cl'f-- e
in y q 1_\ a 1. it i e s and \I-,II-\<:lt i¿:"r-' e my :Let i ù s· ync'S''''as i~! S ';> Not eve \,--- y bod Y ~ s t -1'--' a i n ¡~d
:Like you a'f-'f! .
Dick '1i 0 1. Q h Q ',i ;; ¡:<i¡;¡ht.
F~o s s Rieke: To kno\--'J t¡---li?!se pe-f--sonal:i t y b-"a its. Ah, is that ~:-olïlething
~'-Je should ì::H~ doi-n£¡?
Dick 1'101 ohon; Yeah ~ I ITI ¿id Eo that as- one of my my recommendations, and
i::'\q¿,'\in that1s a j-"ecQmmendat ion you could m¿i!-< e i..::d most any place.. But I
thin~: it ~'J(Juld hElve a s.pec:i¿;d benefit ¡--'i ght h ey"-e. Ah, they"-e's, the\-~f.·' s-
offices that ah, _'just ~~etting to knol¡-¡ I¡-,!hat kind of pey--s on¿~ lit :i. e s- yo 1.(' Y--f}
wo-,..--I-::inU ItJi th ~AJoulcl be would be 'v'E"("'/ helpful.
I~ l) ~.. S Kli:!k~2 ;; I~.ihen you mË'<-3."nt thL'it; you ¡I>Jould submit EI p-r--O po ::,,¿, 1. ~ to do
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';:. C) in e things!) 1':' n 2,'C might i::·e onG -j.: ¡~'I :\. Ii fd t: h ~=t. t Y l) u."} {j cj 0..
D ~ c~: ¡';I 0 1 0 h [r n ¡ '{ £'2i-" you bet!:
¡':o~, ~, I"Ü eke: Do s-ome cE:'s,ting, open that u fJ ~ you k n Co .'1 ~ [jet people a.'I¿\¡-"'E:'
o'¡- ¡'Ih <:,,',"i2 t ¡HI (? Y '1 1'-'(-} '?,-C -"
Dick ì';ìo 1 ahan; 1 C'2n ¿ippy'eC- i <:It E:' :l 0 IJ¡--' U~·E' OT the 'll0 'f'd "testing".
~~c·t u.~.::\ 11 y J.n p e ,,.-, s, 0 ,', ,0;, 1 i t y e ,/ a .L 1).2\ 't 1 0 n .~. t h ¡",¡--'e ), S n CJ ' ,. \{ou j ìJ.~. t: gl'!G
'C e s- '':: 1 n q ~
people an OPPO'¡-'t un it Y '1:; 0 '(" f.' ~:. po n Cì tD ¿\ S f"f-' i e ~ of Cl'J c ~. t ion s éHid they kincJ
OT get c.:\ pi ct '-','r' e o'j- t h {-? i ~.-. \~¡ e t'" ":::. 0 n rEI. 1 it\.;, .. í~,¡,¡d the 'r-' e' ::. n (,,) -f--i ght O¡--- \'I'f--ong
j u~..t who they a' ,,\E'
31:; (qjl~,an i €, Hazen~ Do you. do you use EA pa'r-'t icula-¡-' one, Dick? Do YOIJ ue-e
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Dick 1'10:1. ohon: ., he ö:ìh, ¿{rI':! I ¡ ve bl?€":n doing th i 5, I::i.nd ,- - i'lo¡---k since l'~-lLI'
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a'tO'tO a.h, J: have fou.ncJ t rn-- e e d j. 'J-=- f e i·..· i~ n 'C ins t '1'-, U men t ~- "i,::h2t "::=. (~ "r-' V {] me '.j e"f-'V
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Dick 11¡cll ohün" I'h 2 -r-'l'? mu~.t oe c.:';' h 1J,·nd·f....ed ü ï~i thl' m L1. 'f-' -< 2 t: "
Steph¿\nie Ha2en~ Vea.h. I only bf-' j. T', º up DISC because Bob E\nd I ~¿Jent 'C 0
a~ a q 0 v C'ì---n rn ent Vlü,¡-'j.{ sri (I P 11-¡ "Jh i c'h DISC: \fla,S 1J.sed~
Dick l'il(:) 1 ohon ~ l.lm Ilmm, -,. ¡NoulcJ -¡-, [.'c' 0 m mend t hElt II
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[;l: e ph ¿\1-, i e Hazen~ ~.! e 11 , the ....' ' of it is 1 s- \.'Je ¿:\ J. ',-. c ¿\d Y h¿WE' it, and
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1:;li2t m i qh'c be something ì~ hi:.'¡~ doesn't c'os"t anythirlq t (,) ,Õ\d In in i s t e '('.
E\ ec·a u ~~. (;:, ~.." e have t II E' ,¡-'esult,:; ¿i ÏI cI VCJU kif Ü 1-1 ; you takc:' -eac'h emplo,,'ee rJo£'~.
It on t I "j (-:: i 'f~' o \'''Jj-j O,'I-'¡O they C¿1î'¡ "f"'e2,<J (h)'C!Ui~lh 2,nd 'j- 1 nc1 out \'!h¿o:c it mec..~ns
,:,\nd ~.IJhat 5 t: -r-- e n i:1 t h ~. 2nd ~'I e a k n £, sse "'- .
Hu:,-s ideke: ~~nd '¡--I-'C; m . . p . µe¡--'s pC?C:'ï~ J. ve kind of devil] s- ' ,
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pe¡---s PE'ct i ',Ie 2n employee might foel like vi e 1 f-' e -¡-, e é\ 1 1 Y i n f 'r~ i Ïí gin 9 i I'lt: 0
s,ome t e 'r-<')·-' i t 0 Ì'~'~./ by a.shlnq ~ I m e 2m - T' ';;,u¡---e they could ::.ay that7 .. No
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:r don't want you to t e~,t my PC"f-'Sonc..1 j.t:/ 1--, £o¡--'f'. " T - chat; 'f'" i qht O'r' ¡'n--onl:)
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Dick Iyl 0 1 (} h 0 Ii " (·Je 11 ; t:h is is:." .¡.,: í '} 3. ~=. is 9E'ne'r--¿¡J. 1 y vi i t h [I u t --I ¡ 11 bE' íd l3,d
GO defe'(" to John 1 at e-f-' on ' - bu.t let 111 i~ '1,:: e 11 yüu hO\tì I I~t 'Ë. IJ all y handle
t hi;\-f..: ~ It!e tell people f ìr-- s t oi ¿\ 1 J. up T"r-'On--c , ~1' 0 U kn OvJ, ~"Jh y ~"'J e '} 'f~~ e ,jo i nlJ.
1 t . Hnd ðì\, you kn 0.'1 1 'J Y C) U. . . t I me In as. 3,n outside cons-u.lt¿"Ij'¡t ¿\nd
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you ~<;\ J, CI ah, 8,1'-1, "Dick, I-Ie ~"Ja 1"1 t: tû 1 E' <;\ -f--n all about t hi,::;, p e ¡--- son bec·£=\u~· {¿,
\-'··JG \^,!ant to mE\nipulate the hec' .: out ,~ .!~ em ana abuse em, \'112 "Ii:.<.nt 'G 0 take
u¡
{·il.d \,t' ¿~ n t a q e of E' IT!, ]: 7 d SEI. Y., II 1 c·Ç.\n'1 t do t:hatll. 17 ',Ie had that happen onCE'
in my ca)·-- e e-r-·. fìnd I ~,i'" id, " I' In ~. D 'r-"(' Y I C'2.n ~ t do that. /I Hh, but 1 .¡c
you, 1i YDU ~·a y, ¡¡Look; \'le'¡J J. i !< e tD b2 alJ 1 e -c 0 ~"J 0 'ï-' ~~ toy €' the 'f-- bet t 2 \' ,
a"ld we t h i n i~ ], ¡" v-J(? 'Jnd e¡---s t and one ¿:?i.n ot h e'(' .') e c,:?n do ,;~ 1_ ~ Ì-. ¡ ~ I'] d ~·a. \..'..
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"f·' i ne, let me j u-::;,t -¡-'un this. t) ~l the (?mplDyees and set:' i;'JJ-,D,t t; -¡ e't' think. "
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And ah~ then I l'JO u 1 d ask them and so.". 'I ? "Rachel~ ~·Jh i:\ t do you think?" Fm cJ
ëÜ1, most of the Hac-hel's in the IrJo¡<l d sa,/q "IrJe 11 'I e é:\h, Irlhë:\t 'J s it all
about, tell me abo ut it, i s- it sOli1ethiTi!~ th¿-It th¡,:y' ¡---e !Joing to use
ë\~F:dnst me'i" "I'~o , you i-lave my wo¡-~d -- that's ~'Jhë\t we'l -r--e looking f::\t ~ and
¿tho " " (hen well ¡--·¡OI'J you. gonna do it, you kn o\JoJ? i4nd j '" it qoing to
t¿Ü:e ¿dot of time?" "I\~o It only takes ë.i fevJ minutes-. I! I! H lH'J do you
hOl--'J do '101.\ seo¡-u-e the "(--12 S U]. t s, you l-<noI'J? Do I have to UO o....ny pl¡3.ce?
They' ¡--'e Donna gonn¿\ get tr~eat ed t h f"! salJle l--'Jay? I! And ttul£·n ~'¡e aSSU"r"'e them
t h ¿\"Ì:; we dO·I'"I' t ¡--lave artY p"r--oblem. If you have n:? 1 '.let o.int people you
s-houlcJ just skip them. Lat e-r-- on they might Sé:\ y, "IrJell, it didn't h u¡-~t ,
you l{no~&I, I sa\.'\l the ¡---¡:: st of them do it~ and it didn't hu¡---t, so I'; m
~Úllinq to do that, you knowa Do you want to comment on t hë:\t?
J"lìhrl i::k:-h e -r-- e 1--- ~ (InaudibleJa.and the Qth¡::¡-~ alte-('nat ive may be j u~~t to
¿:¡llmN them to t¿¡ke it and they can get their"' OvJn ¡-~esults ¿:\n d a s\ um m ¿;\-r-- y
o¡·-- to.Ük to somebody' independently O'...Ti¡j I think out of' those test s
f:wobabl y the fWE'at est benefit is fOr'-- people to und e¡---st é:\nd thË!mselve~s,
as opposed to IJTid e-r-- s- t and in Q : u " ~
St (~ph¿;¡n i So Hazen~ Well, it also might f ac i 1 it ¿'It E' some con v e¡-~s\õ-:\t: i on a
You ~<no\t-J, in slTla11e¡--- !;. ¡·-·oups.
(In2¡ucJible)
Dick 1"101 ohon: Us-ually i;'Jhat l--'JO U 1 d happen in the smalle1--' O-r--~I.:i\n i ;:~at i on ~
you'd have me,ybe t tn~ e e O-r~ fOtt'r'" subdivisions in that fl¡·--o up and you'd <~h,
you'd.aa the peoplE' to get acquainted Î'Ji th one è:\nothE'\-~ in 2'\ b'r--and new
dimension? us-ing this pa¡---t i cu 1 a'r~ in st ....--um e'nt a i4nd then you'd point out
the st¡-~engths J:. that pe¡---son, ¿-Ind some of the thing~, that the ot h En-'
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people l'Jould pi""' 0 b i:l b 1 y neve"r~ know about, and hOl'J they feel c::<.bOIJt that,
ah, that ¿d-I !:-mall gr~oup, ah, ah, i nt e1---p¡---¡::t at ion, not s 111",\ 11 __ not
i ·nt e"r"p1--'et at ion ..~. but sl11¡3.l1 !;;¡l-~OUP disc:-us~¡ion is vey·-y often thi? most
v¿:¡l u¿-Ibl e pa¡-"-t 01':' i-L "I didn't ~mow 1··112 ~'Ja S", a high Da I didn't knol<'¡
that high D's you know~ that hiqh D's can be 1-< ind of j_ntimidating if
you don'! t l-m 0 IrJ who thE!y a-r-'(;';. II
(Inaudible)
Dick ì"'101ohon: I thin~: you'd find th¿.:d; t t--I .:i¡ t vJüuld hëi\ve some rne-r--i t.
Bob L050: t·ih en we took QU"r"S d 0 VWI tht?-r~e, t h er-·e Wi3.S E\ big rc~ -r-- 0 1..1- P ~ ~\~ (,?
didn't know anybody, é:\nd the¡-~€' \JoJas ¡::n~ob¿;¡bl 'I l--'¡hé:\t, th¡---ee o¡--- f 0 U-r-- hu·ndr"-E!d
people at one c y-- -SI c k and they sepa¡'~<at ed e v e-r~Y bod y o...rid put you in littl(?
~! ¡--- 0 up s- her-'elf
Did< 1-'-10 1 ohon; Did you do aTiY Shëi\-r~i n~3 l--'¡i t h eëi¡chothe¡---?
St epl-1¡~n i e Hazen: Oh 'eah~ it ~l.Jas fP--' e B:l; a f~nd th¡·? situi:':\t ion tl··lat v'Je h ¡:\ cJ
was, as WE:' took the DISC, v·Jt-1 i c:h t¿;¡kej:=, five minutes- to do, um vJë:'\S do it
as if yüu we'r--e a Co unc:- i 1 Q'¡."-, and holtJ you ¡-~er.....ct at ,':.... C;ou·lle:i.l meetinga Go
it \rJa s r-"E'al i nt ¡?f'"-es-t i ng, cuz thE'n aft e-r-- they s e pa-r~é:"\t ed us- int 0 q'r~o ups
they si:<.id, "Ui-<¡':-IY, you 91_\Ys a'r"'e the ones that go,! "("'L;¡i t -, minute~ 't~IL::a. i t; ~~-\
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Iïl i n ut e mumblea.a You know, ¿¡nd this 9r--O up o v e-r~ her·'¡0'1 s ç, oing, "We 11,
aee<)-r~d :i, n g to the bo 0 ~{ he-r"e we have, aha " It \I~as y·-(?all Y Uy-·eL'it to cJ 0"
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}) i c·k ¡,,¡ () 1 0 h ü n ; ø ;1 it .. so í;1 (, o t tl e -r'- CI U est ion s 'j i-<en?
V.en Hiemen;,::; I ("lave ~ qlJ8st ion; UIiì, if in th(? be~linning y ütt m (3. H e "-'I
c'omment >"Jlj e -r' e tile ~Ie·r""~. onn e 1 Committee !l12S I \ . togE,-the'f~' <3_ P 2 r" 'ê- 0 n Ii e 1.
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¡¡i ¿Hì ¿:, ~1 e ill en t Syst.em l::: v ¿,~ 1 tt2~ t i o-n RI.:? pO-r't, and t ¡~) en .;::-\ p a. hi e 1 B.t 8ì-' v Ct u. t ttï"'11
,,-\'r"'O u1)d ¿\ nd SBY thÐ,t v-J2 need to c 1 f:> "n-' 1 Y est2\l)li,::-h ana document the m ¿\ j ü '(--
'f~' Q ';::. P 0 n sib i ], i t \' OT 2''/ Gr"Y Depay"tment t.-t e {;..:..(j 2,no thf~n p'r-'O v:i. d l? m e B. '=. 1) '('. e s 'i~ D 'r-'
ace e p-c ,,:"ill 1 e p er'f a-r-- 012 nee, v,hich is ,-,rw,t the P e -r'- son n e 1 ,-, . .l-. vias doing
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I'ii ti I i; his ti-I i lig, it.~s kind e.f cont 'r'-e,d i ct Or'Y' 1,:=, the'fn'e because "t:he'r-·e 1 ~\
c:_ürne 01 is uno e'('s t ¿:~1)d in g of wilat the evaluation -r'- e po -r"-t; O'j-' the eval uç;\t i on
byst.em vias goinq .L., .n be I' 1 b-r'-ouqrlt iJ IX\; thdt p¿;.x-t i cu,l i..=n' feelinr:¡? r=ìh ~
~u T ïraT
!tJhat ,ole \.-'H?-r'e"
Dick 1"lo10110n: !,.Jould YCIU help me j!Jst to find.
i-':,en Hiemen::: ¡:::¡I'I, if you go o v eì'-'c
Dick ¡"Iolohon: 'fh e y '1 ,(~E' not n u 01 bE' r" e d ; Pm S O·r...·¡-·y is
Ken HiE~men;':; i~h" pa~le üne you. have Dner: b"iO< Ah, j t\st ¿., b () ,_\ t ~ L~ n 1 ne..
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n p .. .. II .. Of "leah, item n u m b e ¡--- t ,oJ 0, i' 71 0 'r~ e St 1_10 ',I OÎ the ~)'¡~. 0 b 1 em" , vlhich
i ';,n~ t what n Right I) e'r~' e [
Dick i'lio 1 e.¡¡on; Uil, okay, now what, vi" ¿vt what?
t-':~en Hiemenz: -Ve 3h. rhat~ that one kind of confused me ~-¡hen you.
tit e ph¿iÏ! i E' Haz E'n : Uh~ t ¡--" Ei. t 1 S cont )-~ad i ct O-r"';' v'J i t: h this pé:\r'ag¡-'¿iph .
I<en Hie m e I-I Z : \1-Jhen you, ~"JI-, en I~./ 0 U ~:oJ i t t-, this comment~ and then on the
f 0 ]. 1 0>-, i n 9 page you C:OrIiE' back ancl make thc·se recommendations. "
üick 1"10 1 0 I-Ion; 1< i ·I-fd or fell into vJh ¿-t, t ¡: ,. II
(Inaudible)
hen Hielllenz: L-Jhat ¿:d }, tilat [tv.:;;,l ua.t ion II" :; ,',¿is all about ~~Ja s ,j u~-t to. , n
SD'r'~t: somethinì,l th(~ y had to WOr~k with and D¡? e '1-9.1 (.IS,t ed ~-, i 'Ì:; h t h 'r-' I] uqì-I out
thE' y E'a'r~'ä But S [1 met h i n ~i t h ¿i t they h¿iven'! t got a r~ e a 1 good set of
qlJidel ines ()n~ ,-H? I¡.¡e'f'-e j u~-t t 'f'" ~v' i II Ÿ to est¿ibli-~h tho,:::,<=,
Dick ;11 0 iï 0 Ion , ~~h , do yüu èd 1 kno~AJ wh er"'e he' :. t;¿dking about?
St e ph i..iT1 i e Hazen~ Ah hi.lh.
Dick ¡"io 1 oilon ~ Do you r-¡¿¡ve th¿i'l? Okç;t.y" Ah, ah my conce'r--n the'r~'e ,'Jas
the timing- Ah, the ah, the ah -, , m 2~ -I; t e 'r-' he.,·) . . -
1 n'\; e)·... v ~ 13 ~¿J s· 'j no pD2·J.·Cl\,'e '/ ü lJ.
¿.:\ 'r~' €, .,. no mat t e'¡'- I,·" O~AJ well you. S€'t them, aha
~;teph¿~nie Ha¡;en~ Ii-Ie evaluations ,::n'-e you talking abol.lt, ?
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:3t ephan i e Hazen: The ev¿ilu8_tions?
Die-k Iv!oholon: Yeah~ the intet-', the eval, yeah, the i nt et~v i eltJ of
ae-t ion. f'h 0 s e at'-'e str"'essful of 0 t~ people. Ah, people ¡i:\'r-- e v e-r~Y concet--n f:)d
"'Ibout the i-r-- jobs tlìe!:;e days. Ah, no qUE·stion abot!'!:: it ¿It cd!. E~ v e-r~yd¿í y
I deal \I,Ji th somebody \J-Jh 0' s been \t'JO-r--k inn fo-r~ ê~5" ~ u f01-~ somebody and
then no ]. on ~j no 1 onge-r~ employed. So people -- ah employees cn~e vet~y
ver--,¡,' sensitive about what's happe-n i ng to them \J-Ji th t-'espee-t to the i-r~
jobs. And, ah, that W¿lS a - that t-'ei:Ü 1 y ~'Jasn~ t a crita criticism, it
\f~as a concet--n abo ut -- you know \J-Jhat I'm talking about?
~<en Hiemenz: Yeah.
Dick trio 1 e.h on: <Inaudible) Th e'r~e'! S absolutely nothing that. . . . I have
no objections to \J-Jhat you't-'e doing.
hen Hiemenz: I didn't t"Ü:e it ¿IS a er~i t lei SI1I - but I just found that
it seemed to be cont -r~a-('y to what you wer--e th~?n r~ecommencl i ng on the next
pag e. I-Jhat \J-Je '! r~e tt~ying to do is, is let the employee know ItJhat' s
being looked fOt~ and what that ¡£Icee pt ab 1 e pe1-~fo-r'-'mance standa'('d is. But
the samE' token you'! -r--e saying on the fit--st pa g e, "Don'} t do tr-,at".
Stephanie Hazen: No, no I think \rJhat he's- t'r~yj,n~l -1,::0 say.
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Bob Loso~ .øall't;O the pt~ecediÏlg page.
Utephanie Hazen~ Ye,:::ìh, I think what he's t-r--ying to ~:'¿'Y"
I·Zen Hiel1lenz: All employees ba~:.i ea 11 y, had an eval '-Iat ion, ê\nd that's
that's v-Jhat I was t1---ying t:. t'J 1:1 II II
Dick 1"101 oh on: H¿:¡ve 'Iou done t~E'g'-llar-- evaluations he'r~e f01-~ y 0 IXr~
employees?
Stephanie Hazen: -They haven't been done f 01'-- a long time and they ~'J e t-' e
done this /' e a r~ - and in fact I have one s'-lg~lest ion th¡i:\t they not be
'-Ised this y e ",n-'. i=~t all - they .j '-1st be put c~ItJa y..
tria yo Y" !~ e 13121'" ~ I 'el"',inK I have ¡a problem with the.
"'Zen Hiemenz: Some of the' employf:.'!?s, c:\ -r~ 12 ë\s!-:ing to be evaluated '-othet~s
I-J e f" 12 somel-Jhat. . . . . yo '-I kn o\t-J.
r'iayor"- Reber~ : YE's.
¡<en Hiel1lenz: Ba s i c:-a 11 y, ItJhat they' r~e doing with that -r~eq'-lest is --
- they' Y--e t1-~ying to find out ItJhet~e the/, stand O-r~ Whë:it the ir~
\--'e!:>ponsibi 1 it ies ë'tY"E'" Ah, it goes b¿lcK to one of the othet-- comment:~-
'10'-1 make in hey'e - \l-Jh ey--e things at~en~t cl ea-r--l y defined.
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¡<en r-{ i erne Tt Z ~ f~inc¡ the evaluê:'ition D 'f-' Ü C· £1 I~. '~. ~~,1 el 'f~' E' 'ì_: 'r~' t/ 1 n r~ .;:.: 0 put: t 0 q c t h s' 'r~'
r t)Y· G n e- ld VJ i 11 dü 'C r'ì ,3, 'C R l-~nû i ";1 L: r, G b2~innj_1ìg iJï the \12i)'Y-' t:hey ¡oJ C! U 1 d
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I~n(] 'C ï~1 e'r¡ they co 1_\1 cJ L) {j 2\l2,luat:2d bas-ed on 1:. h {~ t a.·llo t ~--I G'/ C' 0 tt 1 d t:-hec:Ì<
"t r"¡ c m ~;. ü 1 v e ';:, '1,::: f¡'r-'Ü u!:jh 0 ut: -c f'j E' \-;' eE\"r-'", f{no ¿'\ -c 'thE' und OT thE' \.' £1 ç\ '(" thE'Y''! (j have
a,n e.n un d e 'f-' s tan û i -I '\ q Üy ~"'JI---¡ 2 'r~' 2 't¡-' (~y-i 'r-t! 8,-(: "i,:. L~ D.. Let.. 1" II Ct ,¡--. ~.i?t u.p GO ¡', f: 1 p
them nDt 'l; 0 do ·~\n yt (,:L ¡', 9 ü t n e 'f~' .l-, 1_ ~. ~ th¿d; ; you knoîtJ..
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1-':\ (? )-"1 Hiemenz; \1 __ ~~. yeah; ~i.ncj til¿Ü 1 ',0, n O'G,. tr·¡¿-=:.t: 'i s not .L '_ ~"'Jc:, y thE' ~"'J¿~ Y
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Dick ¡Ii 0 1 ohon; H :¡_ !:jÌlt ; I j I P 1:2 'r-' C' e 1 v (.J d .
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II\-;e'r-'(:! \^JI'3t. you ;~" 1- I (I I), 1 d ¡'j€¡ duing ~"J -i i c'h i ~.. ~"'+hat" 'I " (\nd this c.\Dnfu~.ion.. II"
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t¡i,~,t ~- :L n¡ ply (j e c' 3. U. -;:. e ~~J e '¡ y, e 'no";.; a'r-' ü 1..1. 'I ì (j \, i-I e emplCJyee~, enou.gh t C) ,¡- ¡~" 1 'I~' .i. ~.¡'
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)"~'e 1 UL'"~; .;:).n't: '(. D e ~l {::;. IIJ 2\ t i2 on ~~Jh 2,t I h 23:r' í~ 'r~' 0 Hi (J t h 12 'r-' µeople. Hi,. I kriol/J ). I
you ¡,¿,Ii £, YUU'f-' Li t 'y' ¡""10 m i 1"1 i ,". t -,-. ¿, t 0 "¡-', thE' City ~1d fI\ i 1"1 i ",t "¡-'at O-r' ~~JOru.!-{ s vJi th
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V!uulo he 3. n .~ Ii l:,'r-''I \:JUDO pc)sition '(: LJ 2v¿~1 U2.t e ~. but I don') t feel th¿\'C ~~J e
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Dick 1"1 0 1. 0 h 0 1"1 ~ J C'ë~n ¿~!-,p1"eci¿\t e t [-¡¿it:"
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Dick fiì l! lot Ion : -"I ¡"I e·r·\e 'i So ¿\! 1 ~ 'i:; \'J 0 s:,chouls o'¡- I, I 1 and T \'JO u 1 0 ~;.:3. ~l t h¿~l;
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c='U,Y"'("'Gnt 1 y, 2,[-; , tlie sC'hüül t.h\~t'i,:. J.·ìl the III 0 st, al-"I, bigg::.?'è:,t \,Ji..JIc·e, (jo
~¿" V"J 3. V \'J 1 'r il 'r-' e v i (, ~.:.J S " Hil; I C'¿in'1 t qive you 2_11 the 'rM. e a s () ¡-, ~, f 0 'f-·t: t'l ¿\ t. but~
Eâ'l, they'7 t h G \? i-I t~. 'l e nü'G p'r~' u d u,c' e d -ChI? kind L< 'j- d e~· i "r-'ed 'r-' e s u. 1 t th~i.t V-J2
hüped 'C 0 !:l ;¿, ~c ~ h! O~~J 1;\ .!.' n n nt. ~.uqgE'sting you Llo -G n en; , I h¿iven" t st IJel i eu
~cna"t p ,:-::\ r" \: J. c' IJ. j, D. ,¡-, asµect Oï o 'I~ '/ 0 U 'r-' situation v-J e 11 81\O'_\[ih '(. u= ~/ q I), !<nOI,-."i'j
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v'Je'r-'G invitilli:¡ me 111 co uü 'L: ¡-ll~. iÒ\ntj th2,t 1 '(: \,..¡.:?-,;:. o 'i e 'r-- ,:?\j'¡ f." xt end i2L1 PC"f~'l ()u
S i 1i1r-:r). y hec'2use ~"J E' h¿;\o 'C 0 nl£ret p€'ople and the ,- E' vJ e -r-- tl'l j_ ngs:- 1 i ~{ E' thç:,.-l;
l~ r '¡':\ \.: y () u. tì-"Iat: yüu tì'¡'("ust on, L.~¡'IO 'c ¡"I i~ 1. e -::. 'c· s;,'t: 'r-'i2 S S yo'-\ b'). i.Ld '.\[-); 'y' OiJ.
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Dick ìi"ìo 1 cd Ion ~ ¡Y ¿\k E' p2oF-,le COln'l-)'tet~--p~~od!~ctive~
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~(,en Hiemeiìz~ i::)Q !tJ e 1 'r"- e b"- y i -n q to r--elieve som(-? of that with some o-f' the
em¡:)loyees by, by coming in \.'Ji th somethin!;'l·
Dick Iylo 1 ohon = i-lny oth e¡--- questions?
St e ph 2Hì i e H¿-1zen: John, has he [~ot one?
J-ohn Sche~'e~'= Ah, Dick, ta~dT1q into con s ide~--at ion, that you haVf? iõ\
v e~--y good list, but a slightly long list, as fo~' recommendations, vJO 1.1 1 d
it be possible t o~ if the Council as~:s you to come b iÕ\C 1-< \^lith è."'<. , you
kno¡"J, with some speci fïc recommendations, would it be possible to put
some type of p~'ic<~--ity in it?
Dick 11101ohon: f::it..t"r-.e A
J·ohn Sch e~--e~--: (-ind, at 1 ea-:;;,t based upon what you, \.'Jhat you?ve seen ëìnd,
and say, you kno!tJ, if you have a limited amount --h<:n'e? s whe1"'(0 l' d
i'nvest it initially. i::¡nd go f-r'om the~-'e, and, ë:\nd, and maybe, ah, ah~
to ~"Jh è.' t extent that's going to involve maybe this -r'eview of: systems,
urn. 1\low thë.'tt we we have been wO'r'k in g on an evaluation system and ah,
and and you coming i=~--om the outside looking at just the m¿-1nag e In ent
st~--uct I..we he~'e - you m¿¡y have some recommendations, you may ~-a\l, "1\10,
tha,t~ s fine. " í'::jh, I ~{now sometimes it's good to have somebody f~-- 0 m the
outside look at the situation ¿-1nd have a f~'e sh glance at - you s t a-r't
to miss thinlJs when you get too close. But I guess th(;) point I I^J,'-" ~;
making if you could p-r'i 0 'r' i t i z e one, I knot-'J, like all cities in the
state th<:n---e~ s some bl..\dget, budget 1"--e ~5t -r--ict ion s anel l..Im, i:d; least in that
~~'ega-r-'d the Counc::i 1 kn O\.'JS what, IrJhat you feel is most i m po~--t ant at this
time to !;Jet going.
Dick 11'101 oh on: Yeah, what I ItJould, ë:d- , what Pel like to cI 0 ~ if you
would like to have me do that, what I \-,101.1 1 d 1 i I-<e to cJo would be to have
yo 1.1-1'-- pe~'mission to talk to some ot h e~'-' peopl E' t hë\t 2"\ r'" f:.ì in t ~'a i 1'1 i 1"1 f;J.
Chat deal I;'li th these p~'obl ems.¡ ah5 on .01 -r'e9u1a'r-- basis as pad; of the i¡---
p~-'ofessiCln. i:jn cI, ah, and, they a-r'E' all co 11 e¿'tgues of mine --- they'd be
¡-'¡appy to coope-r-'at e \41 i t h me, ah, ther"'e !tlon' t, the-r'e \..wn' t be any kind of
p~'essu~'e on you a_s a Counci 1 ~ but ah, I don't think it? s fai ~' to
p¡---esent myself as all things, i:ih, I third-< I know Itlhè."'<.t 1 do b(;)st i:Hïd ¿1h,
some of the a'r'eas of t'r'ai 1"1 i 1"19 can be done bet t e~' by othe~-- peopl!::·. r-=1nd
I would like to ~'f"commend some t h <::1"\:; a1"e f~--om the ai·...ei:.~ h e~'e that \4Jould
b(~ inte-r'ested in doing that I,{ i nd of \.-'JO'r'[{ . Ç~nd they? 11 be g 1 c;¡d to say,
" Chi s is what we ought to have O~' this is I;'Jhat o U'r' fee \.-'Jould be" , i:ind
so f c.~~t h and then you can WO-r--k t-'Ji tl-I that. But t¡ìë.Ü, th¿-1t, thë:\t.
¡-'1a yo)" F'¡ebe~': Chat !tJould be, ah, I think I;'Jhat \¡.,Ie' -r"-e 1001-{in~1 fO'r'--. I
don't w¿tnt to, like Yogi Bea~', say, "It ë:dnt o v e~' til it' s ove~--" , but I
don~t think it' s OVe-r-' l-"Ji th yet -- I mean !tl e need some !; uidé:ïnce n OltJ.
ROS15 Hieke: It' s- jl..\st sta-r'ting - you know -- this is 01.1-(' n t":I^J beginning.
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Ross Rieke: I m2¿¡n, thë:tt' s what I think.
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~:;'~: (: Dí--I ¿-i.n]. e r-ICt2 en;; [I t~'ï'\ 'Î~' e DO '("-C n¿~"'./ e s' 0 jj C'
SULjgestions t h¿:..t 1 tha.l: ~~J 8 C' Ü '_I 1 d p·f-"obe.bl y put int.o e f f (~c·t 't. h{3.'G \l-Jon'j t
co ,,;-t: 2"\1', 'it hi n ~ì ~- aJmust: immediD,telYa
Jj iC'i{ ¡"'I C) 1 01'"1 c)'(¡ ~ 'Thos-€' 2,'("e t I-I (0 b@s:;,t DI-1 L' ':::,,,,
~)t ¡? ph Ctn i E' J"L::\2 en ~ ~-ind., ~,,/ ü u. ~-~ Ii 0 1¡J ~ one D'¡- t:rl2m 1 ~- ,L _ ~~JE:ekl~l schedule
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i) i c' k j'{j 0 1 ü I--j (:I n ~ ~~ i ) S 0 :( u. t E' 1 'ì , YC1ah.
:.3t 8 pl"l 31"1 i e H2,;': 2"'1 ; Ukay" LJnce a i·¡eel' De pa-r-'t m ent ¡--lead ;:. get t 0 EI e t I~I e ¡'"
t -,eYu:I u stc\'r~·t üpE'ning those 1 in Eo' s- o 'j com m ,_\ n i C 3 t ion ';'iliO the Counci J. WE,t s:,
minutes ,~ you had S IJ LJ 1,\ e :; t e d that..
Bob L,OSDö -I h ë\ t " s beE'n th3-c.'j s !::JiO'en done in J-' pë\ s- t ¿f,nd ~ you ~~ no i'i ~
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star't <?rJ DIJt they'd :.;, ¡ Oi~1 u.p i~ 0 'f'" 'J.:; I¡ e f> i 'r~' ~, t- one, ·C¡-¡ en 1 ì !-{ e, like you. ~:';;..:-'. 1. U
befo'r-'e, c\ l.t u'¡:' ¿I ::;. lJ d d e rl t ¡ ¡r:' '/ i Y' Ë! -c C) 0 Uu,sy.
.U 11":' J-~ ¡'il 0 1 ü h () n ~ Urn i--¡ In IT!; yeah..
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Dic'!{ iíiol()hon~ r¡-¡ð,t'J,S t: ¡-¡.at 1.."'Ìl () 1 e thing .?bo ut I'::'~'" i 0 'f--' i -\; i <2 s- .:':{~~:'\:Ln..
~~;t: e fJh¿\n i E' Haz en ;¡ 'V e c:\h , t ¡PI E' t Ìî i n ~~ OT .: ,l.. is I think it deµend~- on h 0 ~~J
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Y¡jIJ 1 0 cd·{ a..c it. !¡}e!] 'f-'(; nü-c 1:,.::'\lkinq b,bo ut E-tn ;'; 0 u~,-· s,nd <'3, hal'¡" meet:iny"
m ù '/ I:J e .t. ~ ~ minu,t.t'~, on ¡'fiD n cia 'I mOr-' ¡ i n~" baying~ HHey I,-'Jh D.t: h¿4.ve '/ Cr IJ got
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,~oinq this ~"'Je:2 k ¡; I' ' h' m i y tyC \ 'I 3 \,/ i~ 'things; Dick fIliyht Ii,,!::
8í"ici i-<,3.CI e.L a, " e~"J Ç,.\.
-¡ e~"J t h i n !,-1 ~:. II ~r Ern IjJ inu':":es, \.'OU knoY'J, 2nd J. c; you. j u ·;.t ~ :1, ~t ~ s gonn2 L: ¿\ ~,~ e
'~~,üme time to ~^I ij -r" i < l'iì t; Q a_no in~~I,/L..:!e Bud (j 'r~' maybe üne or the C 0 I~\ïi C i 1 0 j---' S
lì(!eu '\:: Ci t 'r~'Y to bE' -t; rl e¡'-'E' "O·r-' t liDS e fi ¡-~-.~,t: i- e,~¡ in e E' tin 9 S to lie 1 p it.
1'1 ¿, Y .) '1'''' ¡---<e Uei'. ~ (..!e 11. 'I0u knOi"1 \"',!0!" V e II
f) i c' ~{ ¡"I 0 1 cd! on: Y'E:I¿ihr; ye¿Ü-I.
¡vi n y 0 'r~- HeIJe',"- : l~J f: 1 V E' tal~~E'cl ¿I.bout e 'C- t ¿', b 1 i 'C,h in [] polIcIes:, n O\~J, the-r-'(? \llould
be ,'0( polic.:·y th(~'iì .
St £. pi- 2n i £, 1-12zen; Ye2i~l.
Uic'k Ii! 0 1 0 rl 0 n ; 'y' eat), the,t; 7 s '1'" i ght.
Iii 0;1 Y Ü-( He bE'j--':: bven 1 ~c YDU dOliït ç: ::"', '. ~I ::r II " " ¿:\ ¡; 1 eas.t e v 2 ',-- '/ t ~"JO ~"J t.' e I--~;:.:. you
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St. epl-lc{Ï!:l £, I~'J 13 Z E: n ~ Ye¿ÜI, EIÏld then ~'!'Je \'¡e just ~} s;~ 2'lU 1 i sl-'I t: IUI_~t on the '",¿¡file
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notE; i ~. the 'f-' C: IJ 1.1 1 ':, )-, 1 Y s{~'h2(.Julí~d meeGlnys i"1 i t h i n J~!~ ._ dep2,"r"'tments L:nB'C
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yüu SUI!LIE:'st ed. C-'nce d, ~~J e e ~.~ Rac'h [I 1 get ~, tog e thE' '1'-. ~"J i t h he'r-- staff, I) i c'k
!jets t ü get h e 'r~ " 0,~10,l n ~ ten, 'f i fi.:.: í,:? 2'\-! hllnu'ceSn 1 'Ii i s is VJn'::i'G ,.\-0 n2.\·' e 'C ü
do t:hi~ ,~I e E:' k. I ~4J2nt yüu he'r-'e, r I E' '(-' [:., tD 3[j¿Ù n f 1 Oi'¡ c·o in m un i C'¿it i ü'¡-¡:;: ¿l,Ï!D ~
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- ¡via y D' '~ hebet--- ~ That's one t h ¿ït I I-,a\le been pushing f'o-(' t h ¿'' t 1 h i:\ V e bf?erl
tellint:! these people even if you sit down ove-f-- coffee, rp·--ab a cup D't:.'
coffee and sit d 0 v-Jn .
St ephõ:\n i e H¿I:;:~en~ You't--e st i 11 talking.
1"1 a Y tJ'r~ Hebe¡---- ~ And spend fifteen o¡--' t~\\ent y minutes and t ,'-\ 1 k ¿'bout what's
happening in y 0 u¡-~ p¿n--t i cu 1 a¡-' d e pë:n~t m ent.
Hoss Hieke:: Yeah, but, but n , all I'! (j like to i nt ef~:i ect is as much as
1, 1, ¿-¡nd I don't mE'an to m¿lke offense with you, the w(j-f~d policy, I
think the tÌ'~ue UITI, benefit of these meet inl~ls is only gonn¿1 come - fHd;
<-"ve'f---ything aside Let's E!-ay my rn a'f-'j-" i age is like a s më.-d 1 bu~:;inesE!-, and
that going to Pej---k in 'I s fOf~ coffee with my ~4J i f e is like OIXr~ meeting.
Okay, those meetings -- I mean, I, I can't !rJë:\ i t to do that. Th2\t's the
~rr-- eat fun of my rnaf~'f~ i ag e is to sit down v-Ji th my wife and fig U-r--e it out
-- ~4Jhat '1 ~; gCling on, what happened in yoUt-' day', !i'Jhê.'-\t do you have planned
- these kinds of' things. And those me{?tings have to take on that
element of - they have to have an attitutje of -h e y, th~\E!-e l1IeE·tinqs at"e
ah, ah, a:f~ e my ~v-eat benefit.
'-'I ë:\ Y 0 f" I~ebe-f~~ See, the f~eason Hoss, I thought it v-Jould be [4ood to
establish that as a policy -- that you don't have this t~:>{cuse, II \,Jell,
I' m too busy. II
Ross Rieke~ Yep.
tii¿-¡ y Of~ ~{ebE'-r~ : It has to be done -fOf~ the good of the Cit y and fOf~ the
good of the employees, e v et~y on e. It has to be done.
Stephanie HazeÏl~ We 11 , and !i'Je' ve talked about.
Hac;'", e 1 btapleton: Well; that's \^Jlì at used to happen. l-Je hê.'d meetings
and it ended up I was the Cln 1 Y one that showed up.
btephanie Hazen: V' eah, and you can't have that. (~nd v-Ie talk, ~\II~
talked at that table about s t ë.~nda1-'d s of meaSut~E'ment S - YOIJ ~-:now that'~-
genna help with that, that you help f ac i 1 it ate t Ìì ¿d:; as ¡;:.. dep¡;:..y'tment
heë.~d. YOIJ take paf--t in it as ë:Hì employee.
IT1a yo Of'"- RebEn~ : That's f--ight.
st ephan i r! Hazen~ lh¿¡t comes with the t et~t-- i t Of~Y.
Unidentified~ How about with the job.
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f~QSS Rieke: . . . . Whë~t e v t'f-'y bod y else was dein!a and you knov-J, due to thE<
; the ¡'r1ayo'r~' s beinr! f--'et i f~ed, and that: doesn't mean yoU't-'{:? sitting
af-'ound doing nothing, I'm not implying that.
1'12'1 yo 0 -r~ Rebef~~ a R U you bet you.
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J. G ·th.::..:¡,t VJay, [',u.t 31"\ :", ì~¡ 0 v..~ 'j 1. -c mð.y De "C h {;,t; it VJould be 1I00U 'ì-cn-- I:' (, C?
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¡'¡2yo'r"' r~ E' t, c-:' 'f-' ; I 'j cJ .like I':: [I S 1 t: in on some o'j- t. h E' ;.:, C mt.·¡~'¡:, 1. ]-Ig<;;" L , ~"-l D U. ], d
,,", Ii a.i. 1 Y I:) (? EI U 'j . (? t, I j -::~, n ¡-I¿\jJP',' '¡:. (:! '¿o 1\:; ].'j'¡ I') i t h them..
Ho'o,-s- I~:I. E' k f..' ; r~nd not c.--!,j , 1 ¡-{ n 0 ~~J '/OU !'-'Jould do it: I,.h C: -r-' e :i DU ~~J E' 'r~' C? ì~ 7 t
S2\\,1 i -¡'- !-.!:.I IJ \'{' Ü iJ 7 'v' {2 got to do th i';',: ,,>,no t t' i~" ,"'."lld "1::h i s 11:¡ But t:h2t you
\,,'01.\1 [I 11_\ s 'G [1£·1; 3. T'¡ t f¡ E' 'r-' f::t t [.1 '0';;\ v. "Hey 1 et' s talk ¿),bo ut: j-'J h ¿~, t '} s ¿d. 1 nOlnL
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fit 0:\ Y en--- Hebe'r"' ; I {"'i to be mO-r-'e opC'n..
1-< 0 ~~. ':::, i'<:L eke: f~ x ,~t~,t ], Y I'
bt:eph2uiiE' rl2zen:: ~¡o tho ':·E' t: ~&J 0 things I think ~-'J E' c'a.n cJ 0 ¿¡.rid if \'. C neE'ci
'C (j IT! af-: (2 t.hi?,t IB 0 'G J. 0 f"¡ ',' I v.,: 1). J. 1n¿4.K (~ -c. n i..:...or ifì c.Yt ion .. Um, I! , ',')2
h~ _. ..::na'c you
!-;now, ~-ti:-'X-t t hE~t ne )-~'C \'.2 f.'!-:.
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í;i:u::'h G 1 ~) t 21) 1 e t D n :: Ho\,¡ '1':- ì'~' e que 1""1 t 1. y ?
~~:;t.: e ph ('~n i (? 1--1,32 en ~ Uh I "C rl ink ': 1 et) ~. "C 'r"- '/ O' ìc'e 2, ¡'¡e E k 0 I , t:i-'lç.7\·C 'rlnd~+.·
t: h ;'~ t: th¿,t"s 'C Ü D hu,sY'':t t!1en lJO ï:: [I ClnC'E) (I v e'r-'\t' t: VJ 0 !l'J e e ~< s' ,.
¡"it a ':r' tj Y" h e i)(~ {' : If J. t: '} ~~. only '!~ OY" 15 'GÜ 2() m J. '(1 U 'C e! s:::/ õ' " " '-'
~j -L: e p 1-, ¿\ n i e H2zen~ >: :I ~ t Ci OVE"r-·d0 1 "C" SU WE-E'kI'/ I) e J ¿:¡, 'r~' t rn e n t He¿\d meetings
2,ncl 'Gne Iii j_ nut e S', Hc.u.ld c'omG! 'C 0 t: h C' C:olJllc·i I" f4nU'I U.!!ì 7 cnü-::,=,e dc)n 1 .(. i~!,3 V (2 to
De EI.n'/thing 'f"-£'a1 f 0 {'" 111 ¿~, 1 , t¡-I E'Y could .j us ì:: be ' . - bullet n0tË's~ r~¡ u b 1 i c'
t)'r~' ]. e t
l-,it)'r-'f, s is Öo i n':l ~~, ·C 'r-' e i.:? 'C ';:, 'J I~¡ 3 i n tin ':1 , Q·('ð_S~.o y~ ou knovl; nüt:hin~ -- UOrift:
I,:': Ç¡·t ¡.-~ f} 2\1 0 t o r- t liD e t u, '1,:: [I m2ke tliDSf:.' -r"92 1 , -,-'ez\ 1 ll.J 0 'r~'d y = imd then
dE: P3,l-'t me 1'"0: I'¡ithin the d e pa'r~'t. m e T~i t .i u~,t t: 0 knol'¡ ~"'Jh 3. t triG peuple L'=¡' f~' (? doinq
of c.: 0 u. "f-' So e they"e'; ,::. no mlnut:£',::, nE'eded t Oi"-' that"
¡,j,,; y OY-' f'~e be),q· ~ No"
~=:;"t: e pi', ¿~ n i f? Hè:\zen¡ ¡-r--¡é:\t '1 ~" just GO p ~,.-, c' mot e the c'ommun i coat: i on ~"J i t h i n e:'a.c·h
d e p a Y- tine n t "
1) i L; ~,~ IYiuloiion: \/0 U might find <:,-ometj~iing t h':.\t: ,,)ouId ¿"tciv i s¿-ibl e ' ,
DC' In\"2st
i "~"I ë-i,' 1 hou',"' ¿-i,-f-¡d (? ¡'I'~ 1 'I~ 0'1 c' 0 1-\ S!)'], t ¿~ ¡-j t '1 '::, i; i me ~3.j¡ d j u~,t pet the [j [; ~-) ~~. ¡-". t m ¡;j ';-1 ';~
¡i E' ¿id '~- t:D~-:lt'theY" ¿~ÍlU s.ay". II t1 e 'i~' e '1 ~, hOlt! 'C 0 CO¡'iOu.ct z-\n effec:,tivrz: meetinR_ "
Ur,idGntified, \l23,¡~1 "
r-~o s' s' r\ i E' ~,~ f} ~ Y0¿:lh.
!<Ci; t1 i Er m e! n z ~ :( :;'42\ ~, "J u~-t. q(J1nq l:o '~:, D. 'y' ~G f ì t;'i,'C I'! f: ;~hüuld {"8£\1]' Y do ~h2.t .-
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th¿it' s- p a:f~ t of the communication b)'~eak that ~'Je have Y'ight n O~·J is t¡"-¡e
f:¿tct that Hachel shows up to a meeting ",11 ]. by he-r~se 1 f ---(' i ght ë:IWë\ Y the
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link is i:n--ok en .-- th e'r~e' ~5 no t¡--lr-'ee--w¿iY commun iCi:<.t ion betw(~er¡ all the
people that should be t h er~e. .::¡nd that ItJO u 1 d solve that pr~O b 1 em.
Ross Rieke: becond.
tria y or~ l:'¡eber~: We have a motion ¿;Ind a. second on the floor-- is ther~e ë\ny
further discussion on that motion? If ï10t all those in -I" a v O'f-- signify
by sayin~h "Aye".
Hazen/Rieke/LosD/Hiemenz/Reber: Aye.
'(ja y Or~ Heber-- : Cont 'f~ar~Y ~ " '.. ¿i Y e " . ¡Vlot ion ca-r~-f~ied ; ayes all.
Stephanie Hazen: Une at h er~ thing th¿it W~? can do th<::it does-n' t cost any
money - is the Counci ]. can get togethe-r~ ItJh i ch e '::H_:h Depõ:n~tment Heë:\d as
I-<H? 11 as each employee. .. .. and penalties -I" Or~ faill.w-e to meet th(?
acceptable per--f or--mance. Ever~yone~ s- got a job de S-Cr-' i pt i on .-- that' s- why
I br~oUt:;¡ht it up at the last meeting is to make s U'f~ e that we' r~e <::dl
using the same ones and then we could sit down as a Council -- now it
might ta~{e I.lS thr--ee mc<nths to do that -- maybe I-<Je meet \JoJi th thr~ee
emploYE·es. one meeting a month. So that~ by the fi'f~st of th£~ y ear--
evey'ything's ¡'~ocking and -f--O 11 in g. l.J e' d !5Ít down h er~e, wit!-I Së.:<. y ~ Rachel
as an exampl e, f 0)'-' maybe half an h 0 Ur~ and say, "Okay, Rachel -- now we
unde¡'~stand these ar~e~ i:<.nd kind of go th)'~ough it --step by step so thi~t
~'Je unde-('stand what ~ s- on her~e and so doe!:. the employee. I don't thin~{
that costs anything to do.
f·ia)' 0 r~ f{ e b e r~ : Going back to the~ the ah, I guess. motion. I think it
\JoJould I::;e \.^.:e 11 if the Counci 1 member"-s wer~e m¿id e awar--e of when these
mef:)t i ngs I,-Jer--e ta!-<ing place.
btephanie Hazen: C e '('--t a in 1 y u
YÎayor~ Hebe'f~: If thE'y ca'f~e to attend, that they ItJould.
btephanie Hazen: Yeah~ that' s fine. Yeah ~ if it,' E- going to be in the
mO·f--ninu·
tri ë:\ Y 0 'f-' R e I:'H?1'~: bhould ther~e be some time when they have a meeting that
they feel mOr~e comfor~tabl e ~',Iithout Council peaple~ leave us ~<n ow.
Stephanie Hazen: Uh-·-huh.
Rachel Htapl et on: Urn, ItJhat would \JoJOr~k b€·st fOr"" Yol..\ people~ah~ urn I knoltJ
r>1onday's ¡;:n~e p-f-·obably..... .
(Inaudible)
S1t e ph ëm i e Hazen: ...if it happens to be eight o'lclock on ë~ Y/ond¿\y
mo¡-~n i ng and Bob can make it because he's off that day O'f~ becaus(-? I ~ ve
~~ on e in late -- don~t plan ar~o und us -- you plë:\n ai~-ound yo tlf" wor-'k
sch ed u 1 e.
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r~ 0 t=~ ~, RiE·ke, TI-, E"('f.':¡ ';:. ¿I s.ituation 1n my o"jn company ~ I kno~"J ,'¡e ¿;\ J. 1. ~"J 0 'r~' i-~
YO'r-- dj,ffer'ent t íj .i. !~ s' , btd; -c. en o'ic·Joc"j{ ,ì.. Ii the m Ü 'r-' ¡-'I i n ~ - 1 hnov,J my
)Jepë,'r'-'l; ment HÐðCj<::. ar-'G¡ .,:\1 1 t oget il e·r'- '¡-O-r'· t y.J e It t Y mlnut;es '2 v e·r"'y dE,y ---, a good
hunk r them 2,"(',e toQethr2'r-· i..'I Ç! 2, J. i-: ¿~-c t h r'- 2 e 1n t;he ,-3, Ft e 'f-'n [10TI ,- .]IJ.SC sayinq
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~'ih Ed;' s Ljoino on; t I-I i ~, jobs i!lovinu n e'ï~'e and t II i:- Dne; s going tD [jet to
this d e p 0..-r' t In e Ii t _ . _ i?J-1 d 1 knu\....J th3tò~_ h3ppeninq. And that; s- ~"'Jh(;t.t needs
to cleve 1 0F.I~ it needs ï"': 0 t)Ð c n¿~\ t: , 3h J. J. K e, vH2 ~{ Ii 0 ~'J th¿~t the r I. r"- ":- t ¿~nd
th i r'·<:i r h u -('- ~,d a, y ':; ; you. l~~ n 0 ~~J = 1 me2,iI thinqs bec'omt: ,.\ ¡-¡,;3,bit, and so 1 t: 7 ~.
the S~Ul1E' t i fO e e \! f'-r"-y ~·je e f:, S-dI11C' placE', ·:,¿,¡¡¡e Cjê..~Y ; ¿'~nd "CnE' L D t_1.n C i 1 kno~"Js
,3.nd if C'¿\I-¡ , - thGr"'e~ c·,:3.n U¡~· . . but th (} bigL:l~,:=,t t.hinU 'G n¿4."C
we \,,<0 ·C f-, e r-- e ,
Uë ,~ .. ..
1 t: \'JÜ'r-·k ~ fO'r-- you i:j t.\ Y ','..
H¿\c,h ü :1 Ut¿ípleton~ Y e ¿ih II Bt,tt J: tit i nk "chat t"J12 nCE¡Q to set ¿\ spE'ci'fic
time on a è",peCli"lC d¿.;,y o "r'~' i t ~ s no'(. qoim:¡ to 1..:.JO'r"'k jl
i<DSS fÜef<Q~ nb<Ö.[llutely.
he¡-, Hiemenz: f~bsûlutely.
Rü~,s Rieke: ihe s¿,me.
hen Hiemenz: \1' Q ¿,[--'I"
Ho~,s F<ieke, ie: v er--y single ~'Jf: e k.
{,en HielIlenz;. S¿~, me d2'Y7 s,::;t.m e ¡; 1 In E:"
ì~ () ~:' s· Rie~\f.'~ { .- 1 "1..: becomE's E!, habit.
.;:-.u
bt ephi:\_iI i 2 j-'i2:.:;: en ~ \.( (? .~,h J;J ¿-\'jiO yc!u ,j 1..t5t loq i -\.:: 1 It '':: IJ Y Q U, 'r~' daytime-,·.
has,,- f< i eke ;, ~1h , i;í i Î.
r,:o 55 1-< i e ~: 2 ~ 10 S II m t1 ('X tent J ti-, ink ¡rÎ 0 Ii ci a y m¿lke,,- sen~ot.l bec'aUSE: y [I L\ i 'r-' e
Ljoinq into a ~'¡e e k.
f-(<c,ch e 1 f; t E\ çJ 1 e t (I ï -, g Br'-¿:,d ha~- off on j'11onda y s·..
¡-(oss Hie}-{e~ Uh, okay_
I~¿:\ch e 1 St2,plet:on~ So that 'j So ~, t hL\t ~"'Jonl t 1,.-"Jü·r-·!{ ;¡
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:~;t e phan i ''2 l-1a:.::: (~n ~ VJell~ 1¡}G ,J IJ. S 't ~"'J 0 It ~ t qive him tï' ü "I-¡ d 2. Y 7 s. üff -3.11 Y III O'r~ (2_
!-~:\cJn ~1 i e m £, n z ~ l--IE! m a ~·l ha\.-> 8 ':; (¡ c·om8 in rO'(-- ¿ meeting o 'I~' s.omr-'t:hing..
!''-"¡aj.'û'('· Hebe'r-'~ " II " s' e"c up T [! 'r-' C) "¡ <=' d¿i,'/ of t: h f? ~"J e C? i-~ ano \¡.JC k n O~<ì - .- 1'=: I~~I e n -c r-: c:
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~)'¡.-, 1 Ci 'ï~' n 0 't; 1 C e not ice· out 1; 0 the Cou,-¡ci 1 pt:·oplC' "J 0 1.1. 1 d n j t [I E' n eCE:' !:. SElfY.
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(Inaudible)
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St ephan i E' Hazen: I W2¡S gonna just say you do it F)---iday, you )-~e-c¿-\p the
\.'Jeek that happened and the one th.,:\t's gon'lÏa go.
Ross Rieke: r~nd ¿ICt u¿-\ 11 y, Bob thë:\t' s a )--'eal good idea.
Hachel Stapleton: That's a good idea.
Bob Loso: You know, it'} s p)--'etty ~'J e 11 f-{'e sr-! f'l~om the n i !;Jht befo)-~e and
then you can just kind of convey it 'h--om t h e'r~e cuz ----\.'J(;:<? )--'e talking
things get los-to
J-orm Sch ¡:n-'-e)-~ : --I WCt h~idays a month you Cë'l11 ¡-~ev i ew \.'Jh¿;¡t occu'r~)-~ed on. . .
Stephanie Hazen: The (:ounci 1 meeting and the
J-ohn Sche)-~e)-~ : -I he o t 1-1(':,:.)--' two F)-~idays you c¿;¡n p)-~e pë:n~e fo)-~ the meeting
the follo\.',¡ir!!~ weeks~ so the <':\!; endas can be put togethei'~ appi-~o p"r" i at e 1 y.
Rachel btapleton:: No.
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Dick Nolohon; Yeah ~ that~s ~;weat .
Rachel btapleton: They have to be 'r--e ad y on to, well, ye¿;¡h, y e 2¡h, this
should wo)---~< , this should wo)-·'k.
Bob Loso~ ø " . n 1 ess time, you kn o\.'J, in bet\.'Jeen. . .
Stephanie Hazen: Do we need a motion as fa-r~ as getting togethe'r~ INi th
all thE' employees?
l'llayo)--' Rebe'r~ ~ I imagine it would be be!::-t to.
Ross Hieke~ I, L
(In¿¡udible)
Veri Hiemenz: What's that?
Bob LClso: ItJe 11 I feel. ... get some job desc)--'i pt i ems that ~\ f: ë:\h, adopt.
Stephanie Hazen: I-Jell, if we' -r~¡:? goin[~ to <:ld 0 pt these.
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HOE.S Rieke: I guess Pm not.
£lob Loso: Not that ~'-Je' ve adopt ed yet, so..
f~oss Rieke: I'm not against it Stephanie, r ' rn just saying I don't know
if we need to jump into it -- v-Je' )--·e not qoing to foq;let the fact that lr~e
want to, i )-~on i )-~on out our job descriptions ¿:\ncl \.'Jo)-~k that uut with
people, but I don?t want to the the employees to feel like they? -r~e
f'¿-¡,U2 22;,~3/}
Uc ì~ 0 L< (è' 'f-' 1. 1,. l'0')j -
;~t(:; i. 'Ii q dUiilped Ü l"1, J 'v"J ,3, ,', \:; T¡-j (?!H "(,: C) 'j ee l. 1 i ¡-{ e '¡ n E\' I.::h i '5 ~ ~, ,-.-', !î 12 ~~¡ (J ,~3, Y ¿,_n(j
~..\! e -¡ r'"' t::' t: a I{ i -i~1 kl D i~"j 'f'r~O ¡,) he,-'E'~ I k n 0 ~~J YDU cìo -C DO" so"
:3 t e ph 5, n i e Hazen, \{ ea.t- , t. h .:..~ t ~ s ,'ih at's I h¿;,\¡ 8 In my mDtl0n..
!",en ~-iiemenz: 1 thougr-It that 0'.\)'-- intent c,s é\ (:1 E:' ,-, son if e 1 C; 0 m m i t t E' E' t..lJa s· co
e\/entually hs,vl? that stuíf all ,'io,-'I~: ed out b,nd no'\:. cj n th¿~,t s·o T 3.:::--r, ~. <""0, n (j
t U-r-')', ! t ! s-hip so fas.t tl'la'c cJump (, v e,~y bod y o ,- ,¡~ t:
"C rfEl-C we
~3t ~?ph3n i (? }ia ~~ e n ~ Ukay.
!":,eT'i ~Ii E;'mE'ÏlZ: l'Je I-'.£'i \¡' e to bn Y-'e¿\ 1 ca-r'eful ð,bn ut t:h,~\t - . ,¡,ou kno~.IJ'] \'18' ve
~,.\! 0:' 'I V 13 L¡ot it' 'O' just \.'ih 3,-::: y () (.t do ], -( you put too l;luch on the 'r-- e , y ü U t '..-. e
jus\:; f:lonna tip the ship o \r' e 'f~' 3nd e~le'r-'y¡:)üCjy \'1 i 11 í'Ç\ll o ·'·ì:l \(QUi 11
you111 !;;,¿'vt? some C) y em but; \J au." 'fM. Î~ günna 100 ';:,e some ü-r e ¡n, ,9..1-¡ CJ you In e. \!
1 we.; !:;·e the be~-t ones· II \{üu. don' :; .'13nt to --'- t hê:\'G.
LlU
btephani'2 }-..) ¿" zen i \'J e 11 ~ I I] m i IJ S :,: "Ias· poiïîting out the thinqs. \'Ie Cê.":r..n do
-chE(l; E{r-'en '1 t go in!:] to cost U~ money, ~'J E' ....Iould c e -r--t a i n 1 'y' Ii ke t 0 ~ to
have I'h-', 1'1 0 1 0 h c< n look r' ~,kìll . ., and till';;
2.""( ~,o[¡ e sa T'C T:'r"'¿ilnlng, "",-, a-c
pos,sibilities ¿(nd p-r~ i 0,-- i -l, i z e tho s·c'" And ~-'J t 2. t '} ~3 2\v.::d 13blE', ¿"no the o f'f 1 ''/
othe'(' t;"" i n ~;! :~ h ¿vc I " ~ ,~ 01"¡ mv ! i c~ ¡: 1 "'...¿ er~1 t t h ¡- 0 U 9 il VJ\3, S ,,_ t_ _.!-. a.n'j \-"'Je
'Jd.U ... - l, I .;...;, I... ~
',', ot: use 8ny 2\,/allJ¿;;\-G iDn~· t ¡"-'ë";:-t.'t. I¡a'·/e been done th i =- Y' (i .::--i. 'r-' ~ j, think ¿\ 11 L L_ .;
l, II ~¡
U(j µ¿ü..,t III ent ¡~IE'ad s have done them, i think, in In li~ht of the t i iii :i_ ng
'L: !¡¿¡t t I, E'Y be c:ollected, all of the eV3luations that he.,\JE' [) £. e n done un
t i-, e emploY\~l~s~ put in an enveloµe, 2,nd <",ecded. :~nd not be I_l~ed '10 -r-' Ui
¿\u¿\in~~t Ii II ø /;
'i!a \t' 0 'f-' Ii e i ! e 'r-- ~ So ¿:¡,~. to not 't: 1 E: Dick t\P 'I:; OD long,... E\h, I think th¿l,t
¡) i ck; if I/DlJ C:è.~,n c·ome I_\P ~"J i t h some 'r~'ec'ü m m end2t ion s., p -r-' i 0 'r' i t i ;;: e thein'j
aile! get L)ack to us '; vJ e C·£'·r-·t a i n 1 y, ~AJ e -¡ 1 1 C~ E' ¡--·t: Ð. i n 1 ~,I bE' In c'ont ac't with
yO!).
Dic~{ j'1o 1 0 h 0 n :: ~; U -r~ e.
ìyl a y 0 'r~' H e h e 'r~ : 1 tl'l ink \.'Ie' 'r~'e all on thE' y-' i llht t -f--3l:k nO\'J, \.'J£,1 ve lJ,ot c\ good
·;:.jt .;3,¡..·t 2\'nd ~AJe '¡ '("8 nDt L¡Olnq to dY"Ü¡--':1 ti'¡e b2.1 ]. n Ci V-J R
Die-I" Ì'Îolohon; l'Jond e-r~f IJ],. I r'lave one t!¡ i ng in cl()~,ing, I'd like to
ITI3!<f."! if Gh2t-~S 211 you... " II
¡-ì"jiJ.:/ ü'r~' H e [¡ e ,-, ; (';0 ahlZ·acìli
D ici< 'f101ohon: ni, , tl) j, s - _. by ~"'Ja y OT ¿--{í~1 ,. >che .~\dlilon i shment GO the
L:ou~ "lc·:ì..L I} 2(Jmoni s;.I¡ment is not <3, bad thinp -~ 1 'ì- that ~ -:=. ¡..'-J¡~lat:' ~, Dn YOUì'-'
HI indo
( .L {'¡ 8. uti i L:I 1 ("~ )
Dick ¡-ij 0 1 ü h 0 Ii ~ Ç~h, tl¡ü,,-G folk~- '~:h2t ~'r~'f:..'t ~"JOr-'H 1 n 9 'r O'ï-' '101_\ -i~ hey need 3
lot of s, tr' \J k e s . find, ah, I s u. s p e c·~c t. h e y-- e ha,-::- oeen d little bit c! 'r ¿\
s h 0 r-,t ¿i q e Dve'r'" t 1"1 EI 'r~' e , 21, ~ T 1 \,} P. I ;¡ \.' e n e v E.t 'r-' 'è- ê\C J.n R3Ch e),' 'õ- position, O'f-' ;
0'(" ,--,,\11 the t '(" {,; d. ' ~ men t plant, y 01_\ kno,'I, ßu'c I' 11 tell you ()!i e thiilg --
n ü t h i n !i i mpo'(\tant pa, ...t D i' . ' t: h ¿\ t nothing els0 Ine,tc'h
¿(Ii c·ompens3.-c 1 on C¿in
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is some ongoing '('e g u 1 a-r--~ s i nce¡-"-e, p-r~aise f¡-"-om the 1 eé."'.de¡-~sh i p in yo U-r"-
o-r--gë:"\n i zat ion. I--Iey, you~ ¡-"-e doing a good job. If you?ve neve¡--- st opped
in and \l-Jatched somebody st¡-"-uggling \I-,!i th that, ah, ah~ t'r~eatment pL""Int?
you ~:n o\rJ, \l-Jhy you ought to tq.· to bE"! t h e¡-~e at a time \l-Jhen they? -r~e at
the ir~ best and theÍ"r~ dirtiest, and they need to get é."'. good st-(--oke. If
you've neve¡-~ watched the, the pE'ople come in they'e in the office, you
kno\l-J, you need to be t h e¡-~e and give them ':5t¡-~ol-<es. Thi;;'.t' s a f-r~iendly
ë:\d rn on i shment - thE'¡---'e'So no cha¡-"-ge fo-r"' that. And that's probably the best
advice of the evening - give them lot s of st-r---okes. (-4n d thank you again
fO-r"> hë:'\ving me.
\T1a y o¡-"> Rebe-r~: Thank you, Dick.
Dick Molohon: I ¡-"'eally app¡-"-eciat e it.
,3t ephan i e Hazen: Thank s, Dick.
Dick Molohon: l' 11 get back to within the month.
lY\a y O¡-"> Rebe¡-~ : Real good.
Dick IVlo 1 ohon: Thank you.
<Inaudible)
¡Ylayo¡-~ Re be¡'~: 'Thank you.
--{,en Hiemenz: fhanks, D i d-< .
I'iayo¡--' Re be¡-~: John, have you got anything that you Wëlnt to di!::-cuss?
J-ohn Sche¡-~e¡-~ : ¡·-·Jo.
1'1ayoj'~ Hebe¡-~: ùh.
.John Scher~e-r"- : I r~eall y think.. . that is the r-·i ght d i r~ e ct ion. ThE', the
only thing I would note is I, I have the ed it ed ver~sion, I, I could
leave a copy of that with Rachel if anybody \l-Ji::'\nt s to -r~e v i e!tJ it, if they
have any objection befor---e it? s ¡-"-eleased... . e v e'r~Y bod Y \l-J ant to ¡-~e vi e\l-J
o¡--· t':;lke a 1 oo~¡ at it and i f the¡-~e' s no obj ect i on t h E'n I see no 'r~ea S on
\¡..,hy Rachel couldn't p-r-'O vi d e copies to ,O\n y bod y that has i nt e¡'~e st in it.
t,'ia y Or~ Reber~ : t,.j e 11 , I don't think ther--e should bE' any objections to it,
J'ohn. You've Elone t h¡---o u!;¡h it - if it' s legal, why.
John Scher--er"> : Any, .::\n y, anything ¡-~elating to a paj'~t i cu 1 ë:n-- emploYE'e
- I7 ve hi."Id cover~ed \o'Jhen I \foJas cQPying.
Eitephanie Hazen: Ukay.
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John Sche'r~e'r~ : WI''',at the'r~e is, is basically y 0 m-' 'r~epOÌ'~t .... pulling out:
any Y'e f e'r~enC'e to any other department heads.
1'1a yo '1'-- Reber-': I' cI cE''r--tai n 1 '/ have no p-r~oblem IJ'Ji t h r--¡::·lea~-ing it then.
~-¡":?\q e ;:'·"fJ{__
L~\~I'__'L\
OC";n' c'IL)("ï-' 11, J. '-)\j~
Bob LD'::,O: I ¡ d like;. 'I~ 0 iii '-'II-: e ~, mot i 01-1 th,::<.t these be t u. Y" it (? d 1 ';'1 ; a,ï-¡(j ~J u.t
in e iL:l ¡ c 'f~' in Jolin's office ü'r-' J. ¡-'¡ thé:t,t c'onf'idE'n+": i,sl .t.:....: ~, ~
I ,1,.i c..'a
i~T1¿i, \,/ 0'(" t~ e t-.H? 'r-' : ], tt'¡inkl] th,-;t' .;;?\hfJ c..'. good 10ec:. Bob, ,,.3.h Q
}30 b Loso~ ~)h ; 1 got: no; thatj~- lilY motion.
I~us~=. ! < i (? i-: e : S(?C'üïld:¡
f'i¿1 yo f-' R£LfH?'¡"\ ~ :f ~. t:he'(\E' .3. Ii ";' f u. ·ï-'-f..: h e 'r~' disL\Us.sion D í~i tr¡2t motion? If -q 01':;:.
--, ¡ I 'r ¿,~ v ü ,(-, . ,~. by ¡: ri~/ e" 10
~;:;\ .L .J. In s 1 !J n 1 -. Y 1 n ~ Si-~Yln~!~
L. (:1 ~. 0 / I ;¿'i ~::: E' n / fi i e ~( E ./ R e b £t f'" / f~ i E' men z ~ {:¡ y c .
jr'j -3, y Ü ,¡--. He be ì-- ~ UI:".'PO s ed; "Naye"" liÎ 0 t í 0 n C'2..,(·'Y--l eo; .;;). 'I (? s· ,¿c, 11 "
.; I n ¿I ucJ i b]' t:' )
i~:,en HieIilF;n;:~g hili £,'r--e ~.£J e 'r-' e s:,ome ',.-. e com m e Ii d at ion '3 In the b2,C I-: J=f ¿, 'r~' t o Î' th is.
th\Jugh7 cna-c Iii 1 gn'c be t:jOO(j ,¡~ 0 i--' IJ ':; t.o Jì2'y'8¡;
F>t: (~pl_c' ¿\ n i e I-Iazen; "¡'eah, t:ì~¡f'. . .. ItJas ~luüd B,no 1 tooKllu..
.u i c!-: 111 D 1 () h 0 ,.', : 1 ; I inc'luded the 'r O"I-~- m rl ef~e.
(In¿iudible)
¡-\en }~li£'mE'n= ;: L¿1n you 9 i v€' m8 2, cupy __ .f': ~"Jh 2 t \}OU.' V2 got t h c'f-'e?
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Ut eph¿ln i E:' Hazen;. . . . makE' c'üpies of that, "i 0 U can hE>.VE' mine _. K' ~_~I j u.~.t get
ç;\iIU
me the. . "
Dick i1Î u 1 0 I ion ~ I\J L< pr-'ÜLf12IT1¡;
~<en '~1ieITIenz: nf~e yuu -- did you c~opy '¡-'r~'O m "l--lo"J ~G D Document H
U i ~,C i P 1 i n 2 f" Y HC·t ion" ? tf'-'O ITi the'r-'e on, all the VJ2V t h'r=' 0 u. RJ-¡?
';1nauûiLde)
St e ph ¿In i E' Ha:::: E'n ~ I ,-,ouId li~'~e, I "Jould like 'C 0 maf:e [I 1-. ~=, mOf-'e motion..
1'1\ ¿-0::' s -"',11 j 1 .¡- i t ~ s app-r--O pì'~ i c:-·d.: e? .!~ ! _" ._ ,J~ UII1, ~¿Je SC .:;., r-' '( ,3- Ii 12,'1 i..:-ha~jt e'¡-' -¡-o-,.--
l, if ,3. t, '7
\:) t· " ,...I 0 e tonight" i1nd i; ì", i:.... t Ell 1 t ¡-I C cmplDYE'e~. ê:"t 'í-' e s 'L, ¿{ 'f~' t: i n q a n£'\.-'J ria v
¡'ii t h neki attitude,:::. and nothinl: 0'( C h (~ ¡J ¿c, S 1; ",.houlc.ì iJe disc-uE.sed,: 8.ncJ the
Council and tl-ìe E'111ployee~. ,'1 i 11 \.-'Jor'-f{ l:ovJ¿n--cJs becoming \.-'io-,.~k i ng t El¿-\m~· u
Upuatinq ¿,nd estðblishiílÇ! P'r--OC(õ!ô U'I'" e s 0_nd POllC'12S t e, lJe VJO'í-'j{ ed 01-1 u'/
1- ! . . 1 i~iliült~"
't.: -It:' L; Ü '-l n c' 1 ¿\S 2
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i-<.en Hie ¡¡¡ e I~I::': : Sec'und 'C 0 thE ï:1 0 t: i 0 II "
~d:: e ph 211 :i. f} HD.Z en ~ Flach e 1 , if you !"¡ant iE\ copy OT that: you C2T).
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(JctobeY~ 11, l.;;)g~š
- 111 a yo-(' HebeY~~ Did you second that, I<en?
I<en Hi emeï.Z: I seconded that.
( Inaudible)
1"'1&1 y Or"- HE.'beY~: Is t h e-r~e any further discussion on that v ot E'? I ~Jue~¡s I
~'Jould ial so ], i I-<e to comment thiat I think it 7 s ~F~eat and I think l:i. k e you
say tünight vJhen vJe 1 f?¿lve heY~e:' we' -r~e leaving a!::- a new t eë:\m and it') ~s
going to be a team.
E¡t eph¿ln i e I-Iazen~ "¡ h¿;lt' s r~ i ght - vJO-r~k in 9 teams-.
IYlayor" He be'r~ r. ~ê¡ 11 those in favoY~ of that motion signify by say in!;!,
"(-lye".
Reber/Hieke/Hazen/Hiemenz/Loso: Aye.
i'1 a y In--' Heber"-: Cont Y-'ar~y, "j\laye". ¡"iot i on car~r~i ed, ayes all.
J-ohn bch eY~er~: IV¡ i n{j if I take a little t-('i p OVEH~ to City Hall tomoY~-r"-OtrJ?
Steph.anie Hazen: Can \i-Je get a copy of the edited v e-r~s ion too ¡iache 1,
II'Jhen you get time?
John Bch €'Y-'e'r" : Yep. In 'fact a have a couple of E' x-I:; Y"- ël copies.
st ephan i e H¿:.¡zen: We 11, just t.ake mine to mi-.:\ke those copies U Þ n tI a .. II ancj
then get it to me.
(Inaudible)
17ia y ïH~ ¡;{ebeY~: What you could do is if you take and make them and.
Stephanie Hazen: fhen br-'ing them back to you?
r'ia y c.y~ Reber~: Yeah, at the next meeting 2ìnd then I'll.
Stephanie Hazen: Does the ¡'::'o 1 ice Depa¡'~t ment have a copy m<:.'<.chine?
Rachel Stapleton: Yes, they do.
St ephan i e Hazen: I' 11 !"lo ¿lhead and do it.
17iayor~ Re beY~: f,.Jho 0 ps, excuse me. You can .j ust put that dOll'm theY~e,
Dick IYiolohon'1 s y--e por~t s, all u n II
(Inaudible)
J-ohn Scher~er~ : . .. Depar~tment Heads just want the comment s. . . I beliE·ve
\Ni th r~e s pect to them if they \-"J ant: to contact me I could give that -just
tl'1eir~ comments i nd i 'lid ua 11 y.
¡- ¿.\U >::,: t~\~'UL'
~JC>t D h (~'('o lL :L () () 2;
li¡L.~YÜ'ï~ 1~'2 b8-r~:: Llkf~~Y"
hell Hiemenz: I ha'-.;'e no ~"'f" (I b 1 £' [,I ','Ji th 'cnaT- . rh~ì,t IfJ¿;i. Y "tn£'y c'an bet -I; c ~-- -
t i .~ 8 'r-' e ~:. e 1 v Q t::. In .:~, f2'¡-·m~· OT ~\li'i e 'r-' ,;:: 'J.: r-¡ F: ~l' '(0. e tJ (3.' 1 "tì q ¡:¡ " "
John Sch E"f' €"ì~' : . . " J-IJ -;:;, t ¿¡lot of poop If' ~'Jan-c to kno~'J ~.tJh 2~t ~"Jé\ ~, said;;
¡'ia.y 0\'" R e b e ~-, : Uh ~, IXI" e they' 'r'-(2 v e ~-' y in'Ì:.e¡"ested J_ n k n 0 ~'J i Ii 9 2.nd i~, t"¡ 2 \/
shou.ld kno~'J.
Bob Lü~. 0 ~ 1 mentioned that '6 De P8r't m ent Head ", C:2,n II ¿:\ V E' E'XC'€' "p~c S t'f-'O Hi
'G I I e
t¡'¡f? 'I" e \J 0 ~"t 011 thei'f" own !Jeh2_lf.
Hoss Hieke: ~'J 2-1'" e ì..:ho!:-e 'f-'> E' 1 e i)\ ~:' e d bv "John?
Bob Luso, ~'Jj t h 'r-'equ.e':::rts to the L,l'GY Atto' 'ney"
Î-'~en Hiemen;~: I' 1I second the motiDn.
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J-ü!',n Sche"('-er'- : I Cd,lI d2Ð,l d i )'-'8C't J. y VJi t!, t I, em. . . . .
fJob Loso~ ....{ 01J. \-{ 1-' 0 ~"J ',<¡ho e v e'ï-'Y bod y 1 s"
i~¿\ch e I tit ¿\ p 1 E't 0 n ~ lrJho s- econci ed t:Ììi::tt, (I'r-'?
( J:n¿,udible)
1'1 a If 0 -1'", Ii e b E:' ~'- g \'ou did; Ok¿'~YIi {~II Y f Uy-·t h e-f-' disf~us.sion on that motion':'
If Ii Dt ~ ¿Ü]' thos(~ in favü'r~' ' . ,- bv s2yinÿ~ II Ay (? 11 M
slqnlty
I i e f¡1 en Ä ¡ Hie k e I f{ E' b E!r' ¡ H a Z E! ÏI ;' Los 0 , i=iy e.
¡'\ayo,' i--;~ e L) e '('. ~ \Jµpo~, ed, " \J,aye I] to I"jot ion ca,~'l" i ed" ay (? .~, .>~, 1. 1 zz
John ;:;c-h e-f"' e y' ~ Ready 'l; [I a.d j 0 Uf'- ¡?
( 11" a ud i Li 1 e )
Bot:< Loso: . . . . 1 s tllat possible'?
iri <0\ If 0 '(" IÜ? be-(' ], dün't knoJ,'J - 1 'C '1'""'JB·~.n 1 --'c on the (3, 9 end C4,,, '" ..
(In2,udilde)
j'ii,C\ y 0'1'" I~ e h €' 'I~' ~ 'I hi::" motion is in o'(--de-f-- thE'n.
V,en Hiemenz~ ....1 ffiO'v'e 'C Ü 3,d.J 0 U-f'n"
( I n "HI cJ i III e )
Iyla Y o~-, I·:e bE:-f"': Ukay, "Jell, motIon ,:?',nd '::-econd, d, J. .J, ü't those in t8\/O'f-'
'~i¡:;lnify by s 2 Y i ÏI ~l, 11Aye!1 to
Pa~le ¡:::389
ûC'Gobt-H' 11, 1. ':)93
Hiemenz/Rieke/Loso/Hazen/Reber: Aye.
I ¡,'Ia y in' Rebe-r-- : UpPDsed~ "Naye". í"1ot ion can"i E·d; ayes all. Ei --¡ 0 t·'t
meet inq.
NU fE : tt R II> It " trn-'oughout the -r'spo-r't indicat(~s additional POt't ion s that
wet'€;' inaudible.
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